Gotta be careful using logic around here. It tends to go poorly.
Yeah, no, okay let me be more specific.
In your case the reason was fair. In probably 99% of cases the reason was fair.
It’s not that it’s unfair, it’s usually that people who are kicked don’t recognize the reason, or don’t like that they were kicked, so they just think it’s unfair.
Well no, because abusing the system means using it outside of the way it was intended to be used.
But it was intended to allow groups to kick anyone they want for any reason as long as the vote passes.
So using it to kick anyone for any reason is using it as intended, and inherently can’t be abusing it.
You’re confusing “abusing the system” with “kicking for reasons I don’t agree with”. But the thing about the system the way it is, if you don’t agree with a reason for a kick, you can vote no, and if enough people don’t agree with the reason for the kick, it won’t pass. That’s the simple beauty of it. That’s why it can’t be abused.
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I feel that. On an emotional and damn near spiritual level
Not in this case, when the rule and intent is that the majority (or a unanimous vote in the case that there is a partial premade) can remove anyone at any time for any reason.
Well I guess I have to add you to the list, You seem to be implying that a majority vote is enough of a reason. It’s not. I addressed that in my first post at the start.
I am going to give you and everyone else a real world example. You are waiting for a new movie to come out (you’re in que). It finally comes out you buy your ticket and enter the theater(the dungeon comes up and you’re now inside with a group). You want to have a good time watching the movie(a smooth dungeon). But someone won’t shut up(the tank keeps wiping the group). Now you are not having a good time so you initiate the process to either get the person to stop talking, or you tell theater staff that there is an issue in the theater(you try to tell the tank how to do the dungeon, or you initiate a vote kick). The theater staff tells you that you have to leave and cannot come back for 30 days instead of removing the person ruining the experience (you get removed instead of the tank). Now I am penalized for wanting to have a quiet theater so I could enjoy the movie (I wanted a smooth dungeon run and it was being ruined by a bad tank and now I have a penalty). Thats the logic you are using. Make that make sense.
Incorrect. Blizzard would not agree that 3 people kicking someone because they said they were a girl or a lesbian or black would be acceptable. Blizzard made the HUGE mistake of assuming that people would only use it for “good” reasons.
Dungeon deserter should stay and even be longer for people that leave groups. It should be removed for people that are kicked. You’re not really deserting when you get vote kicked.
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There’s a little too much logic there… better be careful. Logic doesn’t seem to mix well with some people … like a science experiment gone wrong.
I can’t make it make sense because it’s the most useless, braindead analogy I’ve seen today.
For starters, the movie theater has different rules for talking during the movie than Blizzard has for dungeons, and that’s intentional, so it’s a false equivalency right off the bat.
Second, even if we pretend it’s somehow a good analogy, you missed the part where the rest of the group voted to remove you, not just the tank. The proper analogy would have been that you initiate a vote among the people in the theater, and they decide not to kick out the person who was talking, and then they initiate another vote and kick you out, and then you can’t see another movie for 30 minutes (not 30 days, wtf lol).
I think you’re missing the fact that it wasn’t just the tank that wanted you gone. At least 3 of your 4 group members did not want you there anymore.
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i have disagreed with you on almost every point all day. However, my antagonistic friend, That was the WORST and most USELESS analogy i’ve ever heard. . .
Apparently people were trying to be kicked on purpose so they didn’t get the debuff for leaving. Logically it’s because the group is really bad. Nobody cares about taking a 30 minutes debuff if they actually have a real life reason that needs their attention and they have to leave the game. They are likely turning the game off anyway. Blizzards solution was to add the debuff if you get vote kicked. I’m proposing removing the debuff altogether as an alternative solution. Nobody should be penalized for leaving a wipe fest. That’s not fun game play and it’s not a good thing for the long term health of the game. If the game isn’t enjoyable, people won’t play it. Wipe fests are not enjoyable.
OP cannot fathom he could be wrong and this has been debated to death for years.
I’m sure Blizzard employees would hate if this happened, but it’s still not abuse of the system, because the system is designed for a group to remove any person for any reason as long as the vote passes.
You’re still confusing that with “kicking for reasons I don’t agree with”.
Besides, you can’t just make up the most offensive scenario you could think of to try and prove your point. No one has ever been kicked for that.
It is. If you don’t want that to be the case, don’t join a queue where you know it’s the case.
A better analogy to depict what these people are saying: it’s like having three wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.
In this scenario, the majority (the wolves) will always win the vote, but the outcome is clearly unfair and unjust to the minority (the sheep). In other words, the majority rule can sometimes lead to decisions that are not equitable or morally right.
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It’s not an opinion, it’s literally the intent of the system. Try harder.
I’m so sorry, I forgot that you were an omnipotent god (or goddess) who has been privy to every single vtk ever initiated.
No, it’s because they got a dungeon they didn’t want to do, and leaving the group would prevent them from requeuing right away, but getting kicked would allow them to get another instant queue for a different dungeon.
Correct, because this solution halted the above problem immediately.
It was already like this and it was a big problem, which is why it is how it is now.
You’re forgiven
no it does not.
the ONLY persons it affects is the player who was being legit and gets kicked by trolls for no good reason.
The real trolls dont care…they just swap to an alt and keep trolling and ride out the timer.
Keep complaining about this every time it happens.
The only way bliz is gonna revamp the vote kick is if they see its an ongoing problem that HAS to be changed.