Provided you are at gold cap a respect costs 50g
So a full cycle of respect costs 100g specA to SpecB and SpecB back to SpecA
Argument for Dual Spec is purely more convenience and keeping the UI of the spec intact
Arguments against is that well removes player agency for ease of change and it removes a gold sink from the game
proposed compromise?
Unlock Dual spec from trainer but as a respec
Cost rules remain the same per switch but when you switch specs (at the trainer) you have your UI saved.
This keeps the costs the same as before and the same method except when you do the switch which is at the trainer you still have that convenience of keeping a premade setup you have established but also add a cooldown timer to this for 1 hour so it cannot be abused in PVE.
I think this would be the best compromise. Lets discuss.
Why do we even need a compromise for a feature that did nothing to make the game worse LOL
Donât cater to people with irrational, unjustifiable opinions. Blizzard probably isnât gonna add it anyways to âpreserve the feel of tbcâ as theyâll put it
How is this a change? This is just going to the class trainer and not clicking my tree, but saves me no actual time or money. may as well keep it as it is now as this changes nothing
Proposal retains same rules as current method to respec yet adds a 1 hour cooldown. The trade off is a player can retain the spec as a saved template.
Player agency is intact as the cost rules remain the same furthermore you canât switch back and forth unless you wait the allotted time.
The biggest thing players find redundant after a respec is re working their UI with the skills. This method at least keeps your set template.
again this is a proposed compromise to players wanting this feature but keeps in tune with the concerns of the other side of those whom donât want it due to being gold sink removal and removing player agency which i think the compromise meets the concern of both the counter arguments.
Gold Sink: 50g isnât a gold sink, you make 50g by doing 1-2 dailies. If 50g is a big gold sink to you, you need to learn how to make gold.
Player Choices: Yes, player choices so important one button click and a tiny amount of currency undoes them all whenever I want
Your solution solves no issues for me. Worthless change cause it solves none of the issues respeccing adds that are just simple inconvenience. All it does it saves me the 5s of reclicking my talents but adds a crap CD to it for literally no reason adding a dumb time gate to it, one of the dumbest ideas Iâve seen. Just keep it the same and donât waste blizzards time.
Itâs my perception that each time you relearn your talents, the cost goes up. What I perceive is being proposed is that when you get a dual spec âskillâ from a trainer, the relearn becomes a fixed price (saves money), and you save your talent tree(s) so you donât have to go in when you ârespecâ your talents and pick them all over again (saves time). I donât agree that dual spec should be a part of tbc since it will be a selling point for WotLK classic but, since it doesnât impact me, I donât really care one way or the other.
People who keep begging for dual spec, keep failing to understand WHY dual spec was an awful change.
That was the final nail in the coffin on hybrids. If you can swap between 100% dps and 100% healer, why would you bring even a 70/70 hybrid, when youâd usually be doing one or the other?
Im just making a proposal to those that want some sort of feature that meets in the middle. personally speaking i have never been a supporter of dual spec as it removes player agency but i thought i would create a compromise nevertheless since i always see it brought up in the forum.
Because we need someone with gear to back both those sets. This wasnât an issue in retail, Idk WHY you think its one now. LOL People grasping at non existent straws at this point.
Except it was. The ability to easily swap between two talent layouts, removes hybrid layouts as a viable choice. The talent trees are already pretty cookie cutter, but that becomes significantly worse, when you donât need to make compromises, if you want to do more than specialize.
Truth be told he only thing i want in TBC that wasnât in tbc is a basic barber shop and for them to fix the hunter shot/skill macroing or do something along those lines as that was part of how tbc worked back then.
Yup exactly what I have been arguing this whole time. Yet when I bring it up people act like itâs a good thing for me as now I can be the 100% in both by swapping talents. Itâs really not the same and has different playstyles.
Also with them removing summoning inside instances (to prevent people skipping attunements/having a flying mount) the entire argument of people just hearthing, respec, & getting summoned back is no longer a viable argument against hybrids.
And which hybrid spec was so viable it needs this attention? I play a druid and donât share this silly sentiment I never saw during retail. If your hybrid spec cannot out dps someone with an off suit dps set which is usually just average then why do you think youâre useful now? Unless you have some utility that otherwise couldnât be brought, the issue is your spec sounds useless and dual spec makes it obvious.
Guild is filling their roster out, and knows that there are fights that theyâll want higher healing on, but others theyâll want more dps. These may be back to back fights.
They could just fill that last slot with a pure healer, or a pure dps. Or they could fill it with a hybrid spec that got respectable levels of both, and unlike a gear swap, can do so mid fight. Or they could create a drama generator by benching the last person based on individual fight needs.
Now enters dual spec, and optimal choice is ALWAYS bring one guy who just swaps specs. The utility of the hybrid is overshadowed by being able to min max super hard with minimal drawbacks. That was what eventually caused the talent tree to be turned into a cookie cutter toggle menu.
What a niche and incredibly small issue. Is this something that happaned to you? I raided all through tbc and wrath as a druid, DK, and mage. I never once, in any server, raid, nor group I joined, was given priority for my dual spec, or limited by it.
Sounds more like unfounded fears based on nothing, like most the #nochanges argument amounted to, nothing but âMe dislike retail, me angyâ