Dual spec please

This kid has lost so much faith in his own ability to make a coherent argument for a feature he likes that he just links Futurama videos in lieu of an actual coherent point.

A real sad sight to behold.

I’m not calling them lairs.

Stop intentionally misrepresenting what I say.

I’m saying what the devs said about a 3rd party program is not comparable to what they said about their own game. They did not make multiboxing. It was not a feature. It was a player work around to do something the base game was never designed to do. The devs allowed it, but they didn’t design it.

Pro tip, the devs during TBC back in the day were perfectly fine with multi boxxing. So are you saying they can make mistakes?

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Either they honestly said they supported multiboxing and honestly explained in detail exactly why or they wanted to ban it but didn’t have the technology. You claimed they wanted to ban multiboxing but didn’t have the technology. You called all their posts on multiboxing lies

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Wait a minute You know how hypocritical that sounds you’re saying that you don’t think it’s a good expansion but you don’t want to change that could potentially make it better wow dude really?

For the record speaking from some of it played this game from 2004 to 2021 Not every single change blizzard made was good but dual spec was one of the best ones.

On top of that do you know how Silly that sounds yeah I actually don’t think this is that good but I still want to experience all the bad as well as all the good and again I’ll say it.

You’re not going to because I can tell you as someone that played back then the way tbc Is is playing out is nothing how it played out originally in 2007.

And it’s never going to Unless you had meant a time machine to go back in time and even then For one simple fact everything was new.

So I’m sorry what you’re looking for doesn’t exist Anyway I still say #Is dual speck

Oh jeez, are you back on that nonsense MB argument again?

You’re like a kid caught with their hand in the cookie jar. You sheepishly sidestep the issue when challenged on it, then put your hand back in the jar the moment we stop looking.

CMs expressly stated that making re-speccing easier would be antithetical to the design of the game. While early CMs condoned MB, it was never stated to be essential or in the spirit of the game.

You can’t compare the two.

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You have more posts than me, genius.

Adding to that: MB is still ok; just can’t use input broadcasting.

carry on

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Blizzard blue post addressed that 15 years ago too.

The ability to make your characters cast their individual spells and skills at once by pressing 1 button is automation.
Is not automation by our standards. This is why multi-boxing is just fine.

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OK, so again it’s not comparable.

The change in acceptance of the software used for multiboxing was a change in ther standards for 3rd party programs and how they view it as automation or not.

Vs dual spec

Which would be a change in the design intention goals.

Standards for how they view 3rd party programs
Vs
Design intention goals

2 very different things.

The original devs spent more time defending and explaining why multiboxing was ok then they spent explaining why they required players to pay 50 gold to respec. They ended up changing their minds and added dual spec in a few years but it took over 15 years before they changed multiboxing rules. It’s totally comparable. If it didn’t bother you because it was comparable you wouldn’t have made up the lie that the original devs would have banned it but they didn’t have the technology. When ever you can’t come up with a good argument against something we say you lie until you can think of some good sounding bullsht.

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No, it’s not.

Again 3rd party program vs intentional design goals.

One of them is blizzards game, one of them is not blizzards game.

They are not comparable.

Also, you can still multibox and not be breaking the rules, you just can’t use a 3rd party program to do it.

Tabbing between game clients is still allowed.

We’re definitely going around in circles with this multiboxing argument. I happen to think it completely holds water and shows them taking a stance antithetical to the original developers, but that’s just me (us?)

Personally, I think if input broadcasting WAS an in game feature you guys would just draw your line somewhere else, “oh its not a spec related issue so it’s irrelevant”.

Agree to disagree, people reading this can think what they want.

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That’s where we are at but then zipzo has decided to drop a copy paste of the old devs quote in what he calls his “Convenient hourly reminder.” So I’ll respond with my old devs quote to counter it. I don’t see any other way to deal with these people who have no interest in rational dialog.

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And in general the #nochanges crowd refuses to provide any blue comment about dual spec as it relates to TBC Classic.

Maybe because there isn’t one…

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I see you are mislabling anyone who disagrees with dual spec again.

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When your sole reason against dual spec is that it wasn’t in TBC originally it’s not mislabeling :slight_smile:

Stop using #nochanges arguments if you don’t want to be called on it. Feel free to explain at anytime why the mechanics of dual spec are not compatible with the mechanics of
TBC.

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Your useless quotes are not applicable to TBC design decisions or feature implementation.

They aren’t even specifically related to TBCC at all in any fashion.

The fact you think they are related just speaks to your severe incompetence at navigating this subject.

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Don’t make me link you again…

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