Lol touche`
Daily reminder to the whiners that youâre not getting dual spec. Let that be another badge of failure on the coat of your life.
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That coat is getting so cluttered at this point itâs starting to look like a boy scout merit badge sash.
I accomplished enough to retire at 62, buy 10 acres of land in Arizona, and move there. I also set up a solar system myself that supplies about 90% of my electrical power. Thatâs one reason I moved to Arizona instead of Florida, just as comfortable in the winter but less clouds, more sun. I feel pretty good with what I accomplished in my life so far. What have you accomplished? Oh wait, youâre not here to discuss anything. Youâre just here to make laughable attempts to insult people.
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/shrug Thatâs you, Thatâs why you spin and run away without answering my questions and I openly and honestly answer yours
I accomplished enough to retire at 62, buy 10 acres of land in Arizona, and move there. I also set up a solar system myself that supplies about 90% of my electrical power. Thatâs one reason I moved to Arizona instead of Florida, just as comfortable in the winter but less clouds, more sun. I feel pretty good with what I accomplished in my life so far. What have you accomplished?
Youâre weird
LoL imagine being this behind hurt about someone else asking for a feature in a video game.
Honestly you do you. I donât agree with what youâre arguing for or how you argue it, and I still donât trust you, but Iâm genuinely glad youâve made a life for yourself that youâre happy living with. Many people donât manage that so kudos.
Putting it all in perspective this is just a pastime, a game. Not worth having an aneurism over. Itâs either fun or itâs not.
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Itâs not possible to support frivolous respecing with dailies.
If you want to pvp and raid its more than possible to support the respec costs with dailies. Dedicate a few days a week to raiding, and a few days a week to pvp and you can easily support that playstyles gold costs with dailies.
You are again trying to misrepresent what I said, then claim I am moving the goal posts.
So you are going to ignore the actual changes that happened and claim they did nothing to effect spec choice and class choice. And how dual spec would effect themâŚ
Letâs look at the âmaster raceâ of classes from vanilla classic to tbc classic.
Changes in classes, talents exc from vanilla to tbc made warriors, rogues, exc who where once heavily stacked in raids, no longer stacked in tbc in fact, many groups will refuse to bring a rogue to a 5 man, and usually no more than 1 to a raid. This was because of many class and talent changes.
A similar amount of changes happen from tbc to wotlk.
But you want to say that has no impact on how dual spec will effect the gameâŚ
Even just looking at debuffs being normalized we see that it made some specs / classes no longer being nearly as wanted, let alone stacked.
Bloodlust being made raid wide for example changes the meta of âshaman in every groupâ from tbc to âbring at least one shaman and we are goodâ this removed the importance of having a balance if shamans for a healer shaman, a dps caster shaman, and a melee shaman, and this happened even more because the buffs they would bring for their spec got normalized with others as well. Totem of wrath got made less valuable, the melee buff they have got less valuable, exc because other classes could bring that buff now as they were normalized in wotlk and spread between multiple classes.
This reduced specific specs values and made them less needed for their spec, and more so for their role.
The changes to the game from wotlk makes dual spec interact very differently with tbc than it did with wotlk.
Theyâre asking for a change to a game they donât like as it is. So, itâs win win for them. If it fails well the game still sucks. If it succeeds woohoo win.
Thereâs no risk ⌠unless ⌠you actually like the game as it is. Then, then thereâs actually something to break.
The onus is on those that want to âimproveâ the game to prove to those that are happy with it why it should change. Thatâs not #nochanges, thatâs give us a reason why. A good one. And no - you donât need a reason why not. Many of us just like the game as it is. Weâre happy with it and playing it just fine.
Thereâs scope in my mind for changes that improve on the game. But I like the game as it is, so there is genuine risk in my mind for changes that break what it is that I like. There needs to be due consideration of the potential impact to the game - for any proposed change.
Edit: âtheyâ is those that want a change - not âteam baddyâ I get theyâre not a collective with the same ideas and theyâre not necessarily wrong. But they are presenting the case, they want the change. Itâs their case to defend. Me - I just like the game as it is and donât see the case for change yet.
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That some people have a different play style than you and would engage with more types content on a more regular basis than doesnât make that frivolous. It just means theyâre more active in game.
And yes you knew that, you choose to pretend that that was easily supported with a couple dailies. Now that youâve been called on it you are choosing to label it frivolous because it doesnât conform with your arbitrary way to play the game.
The thing is those changes donât really impact why people want dual spec in TBC nor do they explain why dual spec itself would not work in TBC vs in Wrath. They are merely changes that happened in wrath.
Does adding dual spec to TBC suddenly make buffs raid wide? Oh it doesnât, so thatâs irrelevant.
Itâs almost like dual spec is a single isolated mechanic that can be implemented separate from Wrath because itâs not tightly coupled to anything Wrath specific. And the areas that dual spec really impact had much bigger changes going from vanilla to TBC than TBC to wrath.
Considering tbc was designed to discourage that type of playstyle, it is frivolous, and in turn, far more expensive to maintain.
Iâm going off of how blizzard saw it with their design intentions.
Which is not an explanation of why dual spec would be bad in TBC, merely a statement that it wasnât in TBC, although blizzard did change their opinion on dual spec during TBC.
Showing that it goes against the design intentions of the game isnât saying it wasnât in the game, itâs saying adding it to the game goes against what the game is meant to be.
First person shooters are designed to be just that, you canât say the first person shooter should be a turn based strategy game and the only reason not to do it Iâd because it wasnât in the game.
Itâs a drastic change to the very core of the game if you make said change because the games intended design goes directly against it.
If they changed warcraft 3 reforged into a puzzle click game, it would no longer be what warcraft 3 was designed to be.
You keep trying to turn a pie into a cake and say itâs the same thing. Itâs not.
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Which is once again not a reason why it would be bad or good in TBC Classic.
And since the devs routinely made mistakes I donât really care about their opinion now when we can objectively see errors with it.
As for the scope of dual spec? Well blizzard has shown they are more than willing to make far far more game changing changes than dual spec. So yeah the whole itâs too much is kind out the window as is #nochanges explicitly by blizzard.
Should warcraft 3 reforged be changed into a puzzle game? It wonât be bad or good right? Why does it matter that warcraft 3, the game warcraft 3 reforged is trying to emulate is a real time strategy game, warcraft 3 reforged should be a puzzle game instead!
Again you are trying to change a core aspect of a game that was intentionally designed one way, and you want to radically change it for YOUR definition of better or more fun.
I didnât buy warcraft 3 to play a puzzle game, nor do people buy warcraft 3 reforged for it to be a puzzle game.
Again, stop trying to turn a pie into a cake and say itâs the same thing so it doesnât matter and then demand everyone enjoy the cake.
Which change?
Basically every change made had some form of backing that the origional devs might have supported it, even if it was more of a gray area of âthey might have done thisâ.
Dual spec however has the opposite. It has a clear NO. And an explanation of how it went in the opposite direction of their intended design. Goals for tbc.
Boosts? Recruit a friend existed in tbc, and was a form of boost.
Store mount? The card game with the chance of getting a mount existed in tbc.
Drums? They actively made changes to drums in tbc because it was underrepresented in professions, so with us knowing the reverse would be true for classic if no changes happened and it would be overrepresented and it would push out the other professions by a vast majority.
The list goes on. Every change made had some form of evidence that the devs of tbc might have done something about it or falls I to the gray area of âwe donât knowâ
But again, for dual spec, we got a very clear NO