Seems like you are saying dual spec shouldn’t be added because the reasons to add it are the same reasons to add LFR and LFD.
The main difference I see is that LFR and LFD had a large negative impact on the game, in most people’s opinion. It hurt the community part of the game by removing the need to reach out to other players for groups. It hurt the open world experience by teleporting you directly to the dungeon.
Dual spec was well received by just about everybody and I don’t think the negatives of dual spec (hardcore guilds requiring two raiding specs) are anywhere near what LFR and LFD did to the game.
No one seems to agree with you about retail talent specs. That’s where this whole line of nonsense falls apart. Again when this was discussed on the Classic Vanilla forums it was one of the most cited reasons that people quit during Cata and Mop. And again no one in those very long threads ever claimed they quit the game because of dual spec.
Dual spec is sufficient for most people’s needs and is enough to make the game more fun for the majority of people both directly and indirectly. It’s only the fringes that don’t want it and those who want more, It’s a standard bell curve analysis.
Do you mean the retail spec or the retail respecing system? I don’t think anyone thinks the retail spec was good. As I’ve pointed out when there were many discussions about the difference between Classic/Vanilla and retail most people pointed to the retail talent spec as the reason they quit wow. No one pointed to dual spec or the multispec retail system as a reason they quit. Where were you when those very long discussions were made over several topics in Classic vanilla?
There were several people who made arguments for something more than dual spec. Frosto was one who argued long and hard for it. He had many posts in the first few hundred of the 6k dual spec thread. He got little support because most people would be satisfied with dual spec. For most people it was all they wanted as far as a respeccing system.
I’m fine with something like “tri-spec” too. I’m not fighting against it. I’m just not fighting for it. Just like I don’t care if the barber shop is added. I don’t want it means that I don’t desire it, not necessarily that I actively desire it not be in the game. If it were added I simply wouldn’t use it. You seem to think that not fighting for “tri-spec” is similar to you fighting against dual spec. I don’t get your argument at all. It’s just more nonsense. If the zeitgeist was for “tri-spec” I would join that fight. It’s more than I want but it still does what I think will make the game more fun for most people both directly and indirectly. But it’s not for tri-spec. The zeitgeist is for dual spec.
Because tri-spec is simply, if there are no ramifications to the game when it comes to switching specs willy nilly, a better version of dual spec in the objective sense.
Rarely does anyone ask for something that is more than they want unless it’s a negotiating tactic and they plan to negotiate down to what they do want.
No it’s not. That’s why I’m just asking for what I want and not asking for more than I want as a plan to negotiate down to what I want.
You’ve lost the argument so you fall back on saying it’s not going to happen. I don’t care about your predictions. You may be right, you may be wrong. When I was arguing in the multiboxing threads I was constantly told it would never change. They even posted more than a dozen links to devs who no longer work for blizzard explicitly saying over 15 years ago why it was allowed and never going to change. The devs who no longer work for blizzard often directly countered my and others arguments. It didn’t stop me from continuing to make my arguments.
Then to the surprise of everyone the devs who currently work for blizzard changed multiboxing rules in exactly the way we asked for and used the same arguments we did to do it. They used the same arguments the devs who don’t work for blizzard anymore directly rejected. I didn’t care about the multiboxers predictions then and I don’t care about your predictions now. I will continue arguing for dual spec until the devs who currently have the power to make the change tell me it’s not being added.