I mean false, the mechanics surrounding spec choice change drastically.
Do I need to re-link the blue post explaining why things were designed the way they were again?
Correction: nobody is “having fun” with dual spec since it doesn’t exist.
Also, Blizzard is the one “killing your joy”. Not me. They’re the ones who could add it but refuse to, not me.
You’re the one who gets upset about the mere idea of someone else enjoying a feature you personally don’t like even though them doing so has no impact on you 
Yes you should go find the blue post explaining why they decided to add dual spec. Or better yet go find the blizzcon video during TBC Classic where they announced dual spec because of issues in TBC.
Why they decided to add it in a completely different expansion isn’t really relevant for this one.
They also did not announce dual spec during TBC.
They mentioned discussing the subject, and that’s it.
Now you’re in the business of lying, so…I’m back out of this mess for another couple months. Enjoy your dual spec-less TBC!
There sure seems to be a strong correlation between being against dual spec and sucking at the game
But how is that disruptive to the mechanics within the game? You can’t have two specs active at once. You have to choose between one or the other and remain committed to that role when it’s active during content (assuming that, as other people have pointed out, a cooldown is implemented).
The TBC experience wouldn’t be any more heavily altered than how it has been already. The only thing that would change is that people would no longer have to pay gold to change their specs for different content.
It sounds to me you don’t want it in the game for the sake of…well, not wanting it and are trying to find some sort of validation as to why you feel that way. If you feel that way, then that’s fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and you don’t need to always explain yourself. I won’t fault you for that, but when you insist it would fundamentally alter the TBC experience, you’ve yet to bring a substantial argument my way that works greatly in your favor.
Who says a cooldown would be implemented? I don’t remember WOTLK dual spec having a cooldown.
Why are you asking for WOTLK dual spec anyway? Why not a spec system that works similarly to the end result that we have in modern WoW where you can change to any of your specs? Why are you going half-baked?
That sounds to me like it would heavily alter the TBC experience. In an effort to make an argument you convinced me of the opposite…weird.
I don’t want it in the game because it’s not TBC and I play this game for it being as close to TBC as possible.
There’s no argument in the universe you could present that makes dual spec a TBC feature.
It doesn’t have to “disrupt the mechanics” of the game. It simply changes the way players interface with their characters to a massive degree that didn’t actually exist in real TBC. Whether that’s a positive or negative change to the game is irrelevant.
This isn’t difficult to comprehend, and honestly getting bored of your patronization. You’re not getting dual spec, so just deal with it.
Oh please elaborate.
This is a forum and the purpose for its existence is to provide suggestions and new ideas. Nobody is saying it would be included, only that there are ways for the problems you and everyone else insist would occur to be resolved.
Sure. If there’s a reasonable explanation behind it and it doesn’t detract from the TBC experience, I would be all for it. Pay an entry gold fee to have access to all of your specs at any given time, with the caveat that there’s a cooldown so that it doesn’t cause an imbalance to the game’s core foundations, gameplay, and mechanics.
Oh wait, this was supposed to be a “gotcha” moment for you, wasn’t it? Sorry to burst your bubble. I’m pretty open to new ideas and it sounds like the one you just suggested would be great!
You think paying a gold fee is indicative of the TBC experience, huh? Not the heroic mode, raids, zones, dungeons, battlegrounds, dailies, professions, and arenas?
Certainly all of these would shatter into pieces and be unplayable if people no longer had to pay a gold fee, right?
How so?
No. I don’t think I will deal with it, because this is a forum and I’m allowed to express how I feel about something. Thanks for the advice, though!
This isn’t a new expansion, so there is a level of “deal with it” that you inherently must bring in to the experience, as a classic server.
You only cause yourself grief through disappointment otherwise.
I’m all about the practical, do you really think they’re going to tinker some sort of game-changing feature from a later expansion and add all sorts of whos-its and whats-its to the design just so they can implement it in to a recreation of TBC because…yay?
Give me a break. While the chances of this happening aren’t zero, because Blizzard are the “never say never” types (or lately the “you never said never” types 
), any chance that might exist of this even being close to a potential reality shrink faster and faster the longer this expansion goes on in to the end zone.
I’m here to discuss, in practical terms, whether this feature will get implemented, or if it should. The likelihood is very much that it won’t, and if we’re speculating that it does, I don’t think it should. It’s that simple. There’s no ‘ring-around-the-rosy’ necessary with how much it alters the gameplay, or if it hurts TBCC as an MMO or it’s RP-flavor, or whatever, it’s immensely irrelevant when there’s practically no chance of anything being done on this front because as has been noted by others, people find ways to respec anyway in an environment where gold is easy to make, so logically there’s no need to change something that everybody is happy to engage with exactly as intended, both in 2007 and 2021+.
It’s not a gotcha, it’s a qualifying question to see just how ridiculous your framework is for what can go in and what can’t.
It just means you have no standards, or at the very least, are wildly out-of-touch with what is attempting to be done with TBCC.
Blizzard could add pink unicorn epic mounts off a vendor for free tomorrow and it wouldn’t “alter the gameplay”, doesn’t mean I’d be OK with it.
Throw in LFR and LFD while we’re at it.
It can be all of those things at once.
There is no heroic mode in TBC, though.
You’re asking a question that is literally answered by the thing you’re asking a question to.
It changes the way players interface with their characters to a massive degree by changing the way players interface with their characters to a massive degree.
There’s no deeper explanation here. If you can’t figure this out, that’s on you.
Because I’m nice, I’ll help you out though, and let the TBC-era blue explain it to you:
bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/98646792-we-need-free-respecs-or-spec-swapping/
You definitely are, never said you weren’t allowed to. I just said you might deal with the realization that dual spec is not going to be added to TBCC.
Frankly it makes zero sense that it would be and so far so good.
One issue I can see is that dual spec in wrath came with some annoying downsides - namely having to replace glyphs every time you switched.
So what would be the downside they would have to add to TBC?
That is the no changes argument, that you claim you’re not making. It’s been rejected by the devs very explicitly.
No, it’s the “less > more changes” argument, which directly lines up with the devs, because they said “some” not “all”.
Garrisons and Cash Shop legendaries plz Blizz. You said no changes so theyre on the table.
It’s potentially on the table. The devs did ask for feed back from players as to that changes they wanted. Does it have any support from other players or are you the only one who wants this change? Is it easy to implement or will it cost significant dev time?
No, I don’t, because Blizzard has already stated changes aren’t out of the question in the way they were with Classic.
You see, this is where you and I differ.
I want dual spec added, but I understand that it might not be and I’m also okay with that. However, it doesn’t mean I should stop expressing my desire to have it included in the game, if only because I believe it’s something that won’t drastically affect the things that matter on a larger scale, if at all. As I’ve said prior, if it doesn’t get added this time, it could be added at a later point, when everyone has moved onto WotLK and Blizzard does something with TBC akin to SoM where changes exist.
I’m not setting myself up for disappointment. My expectations are adequately tempered.
Again, losing sight with your argument here mainly because you seem to imply that dual spec is some incredibly complicated feature that would turn everything upside down. All it does is let people use a second spec. It 's a way to counter class/spec imbalance since, you know, many specs in this game are hamstrung and deliberately designed around one facet of this game (I.E. tanks can raid and dungeon, but they’re worthless in PvP), while other classes have a single spec that checkmark every box. I don’t really know how much clearer I can make that to you.
Heroics 100% exist in TBC.
There’s no deeper explanation here because you don’t have one. To what degree would it change, and how would it change? You can’t say that dual spec would change how players interface with their characters to a “massive degree” and then not explain what you mean by that. That’s not an answer. That’s just fluff being blown in my direction to make your argument sound more validating. It’s not my job to figure it out. When you make claims such as the one you just made, the burden of proof falls upon you to explain your reasoning. That’s how discourse works, but more and more it seems clearer to me that you don’t want that.
I’m not going to argue your side for you. Either make an argument or I’ll just continue to assume you don’t have one.
This isn’t an explanation for anything you just claimed would happen. This is just a blue post saying “It’s not happening. Sorry!”
So, to recap: You haven’t said anything worthwhile to me that makes a legitimate case for why dual spec should be left out other than the #nochanges argument, which is still not a legitimate argument because the developers have said changes are on the table for TBC. You linked a post from 2007 that doesn’t back up your argument at all, and you didn’t elaborate on any of the bigger claims you made about dual spec changing players interfacing with their characters.
I feel like I’ve explained myself pretty well and have even given you a fair shake to explain how or why you feel so strongly about dual spec changing the game fundamentally, and you won’t do that. You just make really big statements, call us patronizing when all you’ve done this thread is patronize, and then saunter off to do… whatever.
I’ll keep waiting for you to actually explain your side, but I imagine I’ll be waiting a long time.
Yes because they already did this by giving us the wrath arena system what dont you understand?
Yes you do, because it is a classic server that seeks to imitate an older version of the game. If you don’t like some parts of that older game that are a crucial element of that game’s design, then tough tuggies.
You better be, because it won’t
…and I could give a rats behind if it gets added in this circumstance.
Go ahead and add dual spec when WOTLKC classic comes out or we get a TBC SoM. Have fun.
Oh you’re referring to dungeons, lol.
Now you’re just being dishonest.
This is not simply akin to saying “It’s not happening, sorry!”.
She gives a pretty clear and concise reasoning for why they purposely have the system the way it was. There was a definitive, design-oriented reason for it. It wasn’t because they forgot to add in a system to make it easier or didn’t think of it. They specifically wanted it this way and that post makes it clear as crystal.
Of course you handwave it…because it utterly obliterates any and all semblance of a point you think you might make by repeatedly asking the same ridiculous, already-answered question, “BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT ANYTHING? YOU HAVENT OFFERED AN EXPLANATION”.
Something that is both clearly documented and verifiably integral to the design of the game should not be changed, I don’t care how unenjoyable or un-fun it is to 2021 players going in to this 2007 game. It’s no different than changing out BT/Hyjal with a different set of raids from some other expansion, or some other sort of absurd modification.
And it’s universally hated by the arena players.
Again with the using a change that everyone hates and has been almost universally deemed to be bad for the game to justify adding something else…interesting route to go when you’re trying to get a change you deem to be universally good added in…
What does the blue post you linked have anything to do with your claims about dual spec changing how players interface with their characters? Where does the blue post explain that dual spec would fundamentally change the game? Is it being dishonest to say that a blue post from 2007 doesn’t necessarily support anything you’ve said?
Because you haven’t, and I will continue to do so until you provide some sort of argument that substantiates the following claims you’ve made:
And just so we’re clear, the blue post isn’t exactly at odds with dual speccing. There’s still an investment with dual speccing because there’s still a cost with respeccing. You still have to pay a fee to change your talent tree build.
Again, no argument.
Alright, it’s clear you ride the same troll-train that Ziryus and all his other buddies do.
Oh pleeeeeeease, not this again.
As long as you ignore the argument, yeah, I suppose there’s none.
I’ll just keep reposting it until it registers.
And it’s clear you refuse to think critically about anything other than “muh nochanges!!!”
Glad we’re on the same page.
There it is! The sheer disregard for anything other than your own opinion.
Please do. I’ll continue to ignore it since it doesn’t answer my questions.
This is a classic game.
So the quote is very much relevant to the fact it was for the origional game this classic is based off of.
So we can see the design intentions goals of tbc based off of this and apply it to if a change suggested for tbcc “goes to far” against the origional intentions of the design goals of tbc, the game that tbcc is trying to emulate the experience of playing.