Dual spec please

Yes. That is the point.

I am not shying away that I think it would make it much easier and I would much prefer that. TBC is not “hard” by any stretch of the imagination anyways, and certainly wasn’t a perfect expansion upon release. Trying to gatekeep features that should be in the game simply because of “authenticity” is to potentially gatekeep things that could make the game better.

Just because people don’t want to pay the gold for it doesn’t mean they don’t have the gold. It’s just an unnecessary paywall that only serves as an inconvenience.

You say the change has no merit. I say the fee and gatekeeping doesn’t, either. At the end of the day, I won’t lose my mind if it’s never added, but that doesn’t mean I should stop being vocal about it.

I didn’t want any of the changes made so far. The drum change and the pally seal change were totally unnecessary. You’ve defended most of them. I actually want less changes to the game than you do so I both want the more “authentic” experience and like the game more than you do.

Your standard is deserve and need. Please explain how people deserved the change from 1500 arena points to start to zero. What did those people do to deserve that change?

It would improve the gameplay experience is a real reason.

Your subjective opinion is not fact.

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Actually I can quite factually say that dual spec would improve the game play experience for me :slight_smile:

And quite a few others think so as well.

Blizzard thinks that they did. They even used your wording and claimed classic vanilla was “authentic” and make it clear that was not the principle they were using for bc.

I mean, I gave plenty of real reasons that were largely ignored throughout my time in this thread by the very same people who are shrieking over the fact that their arguments are being ignored.

It does absolutely nothing to the game’s core foundation and it won’t disrupt anything. You can’t have two active specs at once and a cooldown can be placed on spec swapping if the concern is the imbalance swapping specs could bring. Again, people are swapping specs anyways.

Then go make the gold, the end. As you said, it’s easy to do, so our argument ends there.

Nowhere in “They don’t want to pay” am I implying that they can’t pay.

Each persons’ cost:benefit analysis is different, whatever leads them to think that they can’t afford it in the overall is going to vary from person to person.

Let’s say everyone had infinite gold.

They’d probably not be asking for dual spec, right?

Infinite gold = everything is free.

This inherently means that whining for dual spec = the cost is too much for them. It doesn’t mean they lack the funds entirely, it just means that they’re unable to budget for it in a way that respeccing doesn’t affect their savings for other things.

It does, and I’m going to do you a favor initially by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’ve actually taken time to consider the arguments put forth for why, but if you haven’t and you’re just going to repeat this ad nauseaum a’la Ziryus, well then you’re just as much in bad faith as he is and don’t deserve the time necessary to actually elaborate as to how.

Good, they can just keep on doing that then and we can all spend our time in other threads.

I have addressed the one legitimate complaint people have raised, you just don’t like that it’s solved by simply adding a cool down.

By your logic, them saying “some changes” before TBCC also similarly means they could…not change some things.

Then again, “some” changes by it’s very definition means not everything you want to change will be changed.

So which things will be, and which things won’t?

I assume there’s a ven diagram somewhere that helps illustrate what is likely to be added and what definitely won’t…

Where do you think the line is drawn?

You’ve done absolutely nothing of explanative or elaborative value in any of these threads, don’t kid yourself.

In fact this:

…is simply a personal value judgment on your part.

You don’t get to simply decide which arguments are valid so that you only have to respond to the ones you actually have a counter argument for, while willfully dismissing the ones you lack any coherent argument to as “nochanges”.

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Neither have you. Care to enlighten me as to how dual spec would cause issues in the game?

Like I said provide some actual in game consequences of adding dual spec that are negative The sole one that has been raised is how it can impact raids, which as I said is easily solved with a cool down.

All your other “reasons” just come down to you being vaguely offended by the idea for no actual game play reason.

I never think about that. I don’t know the minds of the devs. I never make predictions. I look at each change suggested and form my opinions as to whether it would improve my game, lessen the quality of my game, or not affect me at all. Most of the changes suggested wouldn’t affect me at all. Then I try to understand how they would affect most other people even if they won’t affect me. That’s a concept know as empathy a quality that you have clearly never experienced.

Lol, listen man, you’re new here, that’s clear.

Just go in to the post history of me, Rigus, Corpseknife, or Redheadchild, and do your own research.

Are you attempting to make the case that right now, you are deserving of going highly in-depth on this topic, with the actual intention of finding a middle ground and reaching you with any logic, for the x-hundreth time? That you are somehow different and more deserving of that effort than the other impervious bozos in here?

The issues it causes is it makes a thing that is supposed to cost gold…cost no gold. The end. Simple as that. If you question how that is a bad thing, then you don’t meet the basic minimum expectation to engage in a discussion on the health of a game. You just want and want for your own selfish needs.

Ok, tell me if you can comprehend this:

Would dual spec make the game more fun?

Probably.

Should dual spec be added?

No.

Do your hardest to understand how a person can hold both of those opinions at the same time, and if you’re bright enough, you might understand where we’re coming from.

Well it would help if you could actually explain why not, which you refuse to do.

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Is it not obvious…

Would it be fun to have ice cream for breakfast?

Probably.

Should we have ice cream for breakfast?

No.

This is very easy to understand. I haven’t even followed the conversation and I get it.

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If having ice cream for breakfast was genuinely consequence free I would totally be on board for that, and I certainly wouldn’t be judgy about someone else who wanted to either since it would be entirely optional for me :stuck_out_tongue: