My bad, the price drop was a month into cata and the level drop was a month after that along with another price drop.
Which people? What about the ones that aren’t fine with it? They don’t count?
Why isn’t the lower level low cost version on the table? Why isn’t the current spec swapping system an option?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Which conveniences are ok to add and which aren’t?
I haven’t created a list that considered every possible change and placed them in an ok or not ok position. I consider each change when it’s suggested on the forum or announced by blizzard. Have you created such a list? Did you create your list before the drum nerf? Did you have HvH bg’s on a list as ok or not ok before they added it? Did you consider the changes to arena before blizzard made them? Were they on your list? Please print your list that you made before any changes were made to classic BC. Or if you didn’t do it before BC you should have it now since you’re requesting it of other people. Please post your ok or not ok list of all the possible changes that could be made.
To ask this question is to demonstrate that you are completely misunderstanding the point.
Dual spec is equivalent to having access to more than one spec, to be able to go outside of your chosen role inbetween a pull with barely an inconvenience.
I only mentioned as a single, minor, personal point of grievance that it defeats the purpose of the unique role that a feral druid serves, but this is one minor, small reason that dual spec shouldn’t be in the game. It doesn’t mean people won’t bring ferals to raid. The point here isn’t even related to raid desirability. This is a red herring.
The major, and most impactful reasons I’ve argued are way beyond the druid class, and don’t even bother asking “what are those?”, because I’m just not really going to go over it for the nth time.
always bogged down in minutiae father forgive them for they know not what they do
All this stuff is just buzzing over the heart of the matter.
Dual specs are a whole load of convenience that will fundamentally alter how the game is perceived and played while helping all the wrong people. We can cover all the particulars for forever it it boils down to: who wants that kind of game and who doesn’t want it.
Really this whole discussion is folly as its Blizzard who calls the shots but pro dual spec advocates wanna take this fight directly to the forums and people who merely disagree with their self centered vision of TBC.
Since yall want to play the its the us vs them game then by your own actions you’ve made it so a winner has to be declared. Lets look at the tape.
When we remember that TBC didnt have dual specs and we understand that dual specs are not intrinsic to the TBC experience and those two facts say that they are not at all necessary especially since the only stated goal of dual specs is added personal convenience which is the antithesis of compelling gameplay there’s only one more thing to look at.
Are dual specs in TBCC? Fact check: No.
Winner: People who dont want dual specs. Losers: People who want dual specs.
Yea it usually takes me less than five minutes to form a group on my Tank, and about 10-15 for my healer. My DPS is such a nightmare I barely even try, but usually an hour between the time I start and we’re actually stepping foot into the dungeon.
Every single dual spec thread turns into the same argument.
If you dont understand that dual spec benefits pvp’ers more than any other player you have no idea what you’re talking about.
If you think pvp’ers should have to pay the dual spec fee every time they swap, you’re actively discouraging players from participating in pvp.
Blizz literally used swapping specs for arenas as the primary example of why dual spec was being added into the game.
“ To use just one example, some players like to participate in both raids and Arenas, which is awesome behavior that we want to promote…The new system makes this a much more logical process, saving on time and cost and allowing players to easily move from one aspect of the game to another.”
I pay 100g in changing specs a week to pvp.
It’s not that much. Maybe an hour of ineffective farming at most.
cool.
so why are we against the implementation of dual spec again?
Eh? No one is doubting that the game becomes easier and some folk would find an easier game to be very beneficial to their individual playstyles. Thats why Blizz subsists completely on cash shop sales and not subscriber numbers anymore. People will pay you for an easier game because a more challenging game isn’t what interests them.
The whole pro dual spec argument is predicated on the philosophy that an easier TBC with dual specs is good for everyone since its good for them. Not everyone agrees as is their right - this is a two way street.
Im just stating my preference same as those in favor of dual specs. Im not hindering anyone and neither is the game. There is no problem, you can respec to do PvP. If people feel discouraged to do pvp because of respec costs then that system is working as intended. Its filtering out those who would only do pvp because the bar is lowered enough for them to do so.
Oh you mean 7 months into an entirely different expansion years after saying that specialization choices were still supposed to be somewhat meaningful in TBC?
This is a Wrath quote. Completely irrelevant - we’re not talking about or playing Wrath right now in the Classicverse.
Good news though, Wrath Classic will be a thing and you’ll have dual specs in it. All you gotta do is wait.
As long as it doesn’t impact raids, so with say a reasonable cooldown he is fine with it.
Would a 3 hour cooldown be okay with you?
the point of dual spec isnt to save gold, its to save time.
if, as he suggested, all it takes is an hour to farm gold to respec twice, it kind of defeats the purpose of dual spec having a 3 hour cooldown on it.
but idk. id rather be able to just play the game. if i have to go out of my way to spend an hour farming gold to afford two respecs, im more likely to just not play and save gold in the process.
i think attaching all these conditionals onto dual spec is just dumb when theres already a working system and your answer is to “just wait til wrath lmao”
Sure but in the context of no dual spec or dual spec with a 3 hour cool down what would you go with? If you had to make a decision.
Because tbc was intentionally designed with consequences in mind for changing spec freely and they gave a clear NO to dual spec.
Having a CD could help enforce the consequence design intentions of tbc but, as further posts have pointed out, give a compromise, and someone won’t be happy with that and demand full dual spec.
They should go fornicate themselves 
Im a bit confused, if you’re in one of these hypothetical degenerate guilds that are gonna force you to buy dual spec and use both specs in raid, wouldn’t they be forcing you to go respec mid raid at the moment anyway, at your own cost? Its not like the extra minute or so to mage port you and summon you back (with alt warlock accounts and summon bots outside they also forced someone to purchase) will deter them, and they sure wouldn’t care about your precious 50g
I come back to the WoW Forums after like a 2 month break and you guys are still asking for duel spec.
lol
If you’re ACTUALLY someone in that sad situation (instead of the hypothetical spitballing “what ifs” you anti-DS crew are putting out as fact), then dual spec would be an absolute godsend, as after 4 or so weeks of raiding with multiple respecs, dual spec would’ve paid for itself.
So you guys clearly DON’T care about someone in that situation.
these people spend more time trolling the forums than they do playing the game. which is why theyre arguing against dual spec. you can tell by the guy with 4300 posts on a level 10 alt so nobody can tie his hot takes to his actual in game character. not that he’d care anyways, since he doesnt really play the game.
I think the mentality is more “my only fading advantage in this expansion where player skill begins to actually slightly matter, which is my ability to stay online multiple hours a day mindlessly farming gold, is under threat - must fight to protect it at all costs!!!”
any way you look at it, the game is supposed to be fun. having to spend time and gold respeccing every time you want to do something else isnt fun. just dont understand why anyone would argue against a feature that allows players to enjoy the game, or at least not have to jump through hoops to continue enjoying the game. there’s a reason why dual spec was added to begin with and ultimately respeccing became free and unlimited to any of your specs.