An until blizzard specifically addresses dual spec in TBC Classic we have no idea how they actually feel about the subject.
Just like how they originally changed their mind about dual spec during TBC they could very easily come out with a blue post tomorrow announcing dual spec.
Your entire theme here is a complete contradiction in itself. You say Blizzard is open to changes that which includes dual spec. Yet theyâve made other changes, and havenât added dual spec despite the fact the cries for it are louder than any other change weâve gotten.
If they are long past changing their minds about dual spec, wouldnât it have simply been a given feature added prior to release?
Your two lines of logic simply donât meet up in the middle because youâre completely ignoring the logical conclusion of your assumptions.
If their opinion on dual spec in TBC changed after or even during TBC, this conversation wouldnât be necessary since they would have added it in already.
Wouldnât the fact that they launched TBCC without dual spec, despite the fact that according to you they turned a new leaf on the feature after original TBC, be an indicator that it was important to keep it excluded?
LoL blizzard has never said they were done making changes to TBC Classic. So that they havenât added dual spec yet is no indication they never will. In fact that they are continuing to make changes beyond what was in at launch shows they are in fact still listening and are open to potential changes.
And that idea terrifies you, which is why you want the discussion shut down.
It is an indication of something.
At the very least it is an indication that itâs not a hook-line-sinker change that Blizzard would throw in without any thought.
We know, objectively, that they are hesitant to change things if it reduces authenticity.
âTerrifiedâ is pretty hyperbolic.
Itâs accurate to say that I take pleasure in the fact that dual spec is not in the game, and itâs also accurate to say that I donât want it to be added.
The only way for you to actually get around this argument is to argue that itâs slipped completely under Blizzardâs radar and they simply havenât discussed it at all because theyâre unaware it is a desired feature by some.
/shrug and as soon as blizzard shares the outcome of that discussion with the public weâll actually know what they think. Until then the topic is still perfectly valid and open for discussion.
At what point do you lose faith in Blizzard lol?
What if they never say anything at all, all the way up until you are buying dual spec from the trainer in Northrend?
Sure if wrath re releases and thereâs no dual spec in TBC Classic Iâll say they never planned to add it.
Until then it is still worth discussing, because even if they only add it for the last month of sunwell thatâs better than nothing. You know kind of what they did with the chrono boom, and that was when blizzard was explicitly #nochanges.
Not just that.
It would mean they aggressively ignored and rejected all of your arguments throughout the entirety of TBCC, to the point they didnât even see a reason to give you a single word on it, like slap-in-the-face level dismissal.
Would you admit to basically being wrong about everything youâve assumed about Blizzard should we reach WOTLK without dual spec?
/shrug Iâm not assuming anything one way or the other. At this point blizzardâs stance about dual spec is unknown and they are actively making changes to TBC Classic, neither of those are assumptions.
I mean thatâs not true at all. You are assuming that dual spec has a chance when you have no indicator that it does. Your only evidence is âthey made other changesâ and âthey said theyâre open to stuffâ.
In my view neither of those things are an argument for dual spec having a chance because of other factors.
Current Blizzard, itâs unknownâŚbut itâs debatable as to whether that even matters.
There are several situations in which they have made it abundantly clear, that you continue to ignore, that the old design is their guiding framework.
They consulted the original patch maker on the feral changes before doing anything on it, and itâs likely that if that original guy said âoh yeah thatâs how itâs supposed to beâ, they probably wouldnât have done anything even though ferals were up in arms over it (by the way, Fasc also believed nothing would be done on this with all of his logical supremacy). Theyâve expressed hesitation for changing squawking despite agreeing that itâs janky.
There is very clear evidence that the past does matter in regards to changes they make, because as has been clarified and should be obvious, theyâre trying to recreate something here, not make a whole new experience, and thus by design, some things need to remain the same even if itâs not favorable to your ideal feature-set of what you think TBCC should have to make it better.
At some level, TBCC cannot have benefits afforded to the game in its development-future beyond its original run, otherwise it isnât a recreation of TBC. Itâs a weird frankenstein built on TBC bones. Even you should understand this.
So what youâre saying is you have nothing definitive about dual spec one way or the other and your opinion is entirely based wags on your part.
We do not know if blizzard has discussed dual spec and come to a conclusion one way or the other and simply not communicated it or whether itâs just sitting on some project managerâs todo list to schedule a meeting about.
We also do know blizzard can and will make major changes late in an expansion, see chrono boom, so the assumption on your part that because it hasnât been done yet means it wonât be done is fundamentally flawed.
The chronoboon was added so late in the game it may as well have been a prepatch feature. If dual spec is added at a similar distance to WOTLK, you will still have lost the argument and honestly at that point I wouldnât even care.
If TBCC passes by without dual spec, you will need to confront the reality that at some level, much or or some of what Iâve argued about why dual spec will or shouldnât be added will be correct (in terms of what Blizzard feels about the feature).
Of all the things weâve argued, at the very least one of those things is likely to be the reason Blizzard doesnât or never considered adding it.
There something called âinferenceâ, Ziryus.
Sometimes things donât need to be explicitly or blatantly stated for logical conclusions to be made, and in this case, the equation is pretty narrow in the circumstance that they donât add dual spec.
Okay so you admit there is a very reasonable chance dual spec will be added to TBC Classic just like the chrono boom.
Iâve stated quite clearly, an abundant number of times that I believe itâs near zero. How can you ask me this question without feeling like an absolute fool?
The only reason it isnât zero is because I, too, am a ânever say neverâ guy
As I stated earlier, features arenât added to the game based on %age odds. Blizzard either believes itâs appropriate for TBC, or it isnât, with a tiny bit of wiggle room to possibly be convinced by random forum posters that something is when it originally wasnât, or wasnât when it originally was.
Nowhere in my post did I say that because of the chronoboon, dual spec had a âreasonable chanceâ of being added. I have not even the faintest clue how you would come to that conclusion. It is honestly unfathomable how the logic centers in your brain work (or donât).
Like, there is no logical connection between feeling indifferent about chronoboon based on itâs proximity to TBC, and my opinion on dual specs âchancesâ. Pretty much zero at all. Like Iâm actually really confounded, your associative skills are shockingly irrational.
Well Iâm sure youâre familiar with the experience so maybe you can enlighten me?
I have never had any âfaithâ in blizzard. I donât even know what you mean by it. I donât know what blizzard will do. They havenât made changes to things when it seemed obvious that something needed to be done. Like doing nothing about dead and dying servers with such low pop that the game was unplayable as an MMO. Then they made changes out of the blue that no one asked for. Like changing arena start point from 1500 to zero or limiting dungeon runs to 30 per day
No, it could have nothing to do with any argument you made. You love calling people lazy. Itâs your favorite argument against adding dual spec. It could be just that simple. It could be just that the devs are lazy and decided to add dual spec was too much work.
The players that want dual spec are definitely lazy.
Blizzard just capitulated and removed skull of impending doom from arena, a change iâm pretty sure didnât happen at this point in the game (belt iâm not so sure about). That was 100% a forums-driven change. They keep coming.
And oh yeah blizzard gave no indication of leaning either way until they just out and said âyeah weâre removing thisâ a week or so ago.
Doesnât mean they will add dual spec. Doesnât mean the probability is even 50-50.
All it means is blizzard are quietly reading feedback, and silently slating changes for release without saying anything, like theyâve done all expac.
Iâm aware. Itâs not on the same level as corrupting the design intention of specs.
Do you think when they originally designed skull they had in mind all of the things it would do to TBCC arena?
Additionally, do you think the unilateral impact on gameplay for every single player having access to something like dual spec is similar to a single green vanilla item being broken in arena because it was utilized to cheese certain things?