It could be mitigated more effectively through alternative solutions. Such as unlimited free respecs.
Some times people donât participate in parts of the game because there are disincentives to doing so. Removing those disincentives can be all that is needed to get them to do those parts of the game.
So why not have unlimited free respecs? Then players can spec for PvP, Solo, AOE Farming, Group Content, at their leisure and dramatically increase participation.
You are still assuming everyone would treat dual spec like you did.
Which ignores everyone who has explained why they wouldnât and that yes a lot of people in wrath actively used dual spec. As far as reward goes? Well the daily dungeons are a perfect example of that, someone with dual spec might see oh I can make some quick gold tanking/healing one of these, where as no dual spec they simply donât because it wonât even cover the cost of switching specs.
Some people have suggested that. Itâs been discussed and I donât believe it would be more effective. But the people I discussed it with previously actually wanted unlimited free respecs. You donât actually want that do you? Iâm not interested in a theoretical discussion where you play devilâs advocate. Iâm not here playing debate.
Wait what, you want unlimited free respecs?
If you have unlimited free respecs, and (theoretically) addons that can rearrange your bars/equipment/talents, why not just put in dual spec as a built in mechanism to the game?
You donât consider unlimited free respecs a change to the game? Are you just playing devilâs advocate? Are you testing to see if people are reading your posts?
I donât get it.
like buy more gold.
Ah. You donât âbelieveâ. That is to say, âitâs inconvenient to my argument so I wonât acknowledge itâ.
It makes zero sense that you think removing the restriction altogether would not increase participation, since there are more things to do in-game than require only two specs.
Evidently, youâre not here to debate at all.
Im assuming Iâm not atypical.
It is subjective. I donât agree with you because your claims donât add up to me. If you want me to agree with you then I need to find your claims convincing.
Now youâve already claimed youâre not trying to convince me - fine you do you and Iâll do me.
It has been stated - several times now - that Dual Spec is about increasing participation.
Unlimited respecs would achieve this more effectively than dual spec, noting there are more activities in WoW than two specs will facilitate.
So why not have unlimited respecs? It is a more effective solution to the problem.
Iâm not trying to convince you that you are playing wrong, I donât particularly care what your playstyle is and how you would or would not use dual spec.
All the argument is is that plenty of people would use dual spec, and thereâs little reason to think thatâs not the case. IS that enough to fix the tank/healer shortage probably not, does it increase the amount of people tanking/healing well definitely yes.
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Iâm stunned, I donât even know what to say. As someone with plenty of gold, the issue for me that stops me from respeccing is the hassle of setting up my UI.
Why donât you care about me, but you do care about the people who wonât make a farming alt?
And plenty MORE people would use unlimited free respecs, thus addressing the use case more effectively.
Why? Why is everyone so scared to answer this question? If the bottom line is about increasing participation, what logical reason is there to restrict gameplay by keeping it at dual spec?
I do love how these clowns demand I give them quotes from devs currently working on tbcc when we know they wonât accept a ânoâ from them even if they give it.
They had the same issue back in 2007 where they gave a clear NO, and people still contested it.
bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/98646792-we-need-free-respecs-or-spec-swapping/
âI gave a clear and direct answer on this based on recent discussions. You can believe that as you wishâ
Even if we had the quote for dual spec in tbcc, with the devs saying no, they wouldnât accept it.
I have discussed, many times. Frosto was a person that used to post here who was very much in favor of it. I just donât want to have a fake discussion with someone who is just playing devilâs advocate. This is not some official debate with judges and scoring where we argue points to win. I donât like you, I donât care about you, youâre a complete stranger so there is no reward for âwinningâ in a debate with you.
Itâs not a âfake discussionâ.
You donât want to answer it because you know you donât want unlimited respecs, and youâll be forced to amend your argument to âMake the game more accessible within reason.â
And the moment you introduce that within reason caveat, youâll be forced to concede that within reason is entirely subjective.
And once you concede that it is subjective, youâll lose any claim to suggest your argument has any objective authority beyond just being your opinion.
Which - for the 30th time - IS FINE.
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I personally wouldnât care, sure open up specs just like banks tabs, the cost keeps going up for each one you get.
The reason people use dual spec as the goal is because thatâs the mechanic we had, so it wouldnât be anything new.
And thatâs why Iâve got no beef with you, man. Youâre nothing if not consistent and I respect that.
like what, and how do you know theyâre more effective
Unlimited free respecs.
Because there are more activities in-game than two specs will permit (Solo, PvP, Group Content). Therefore, more specs = more engagement.
Or so the argument goes for Dual Spec, anyway.