It’s just like if you set 10 people down in a room and had them all vote on if 9 of them should take the 10th guys money. Obviously the guy getting his money taken would be against it but majority rule of the other 9 would say that it would be OK. You shouldn’t make a change even if the majority want it if it would be a great detriment to others.
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No he very much is correct on this one. It is you who is advocating for Dual Spec, it is your responsibility if you make the claim it makes the game better to factually prove that it indeed has made the game better. Not your opinion, not your thoughts. Actual credible data that says it was overwhelmingly received and that it made a huge impact. That’s how this works. You claim it will make things better, we want the proof. If we can refute your “points” at all with opinion, then your points are also opinion and not fact.
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You are the one attempting to change the game, you are the one who must present non anecdotal evidence to support your claim.
My claim is that it won’t help the tank / healer issues which is supported by the history of the game and the changes blizzard made after implementing dual specialization to further incentivize queuing as a tank and or healer because adding dual specialization did not fix or resolve the issue
Since I never made that claim you should find someone who claimed it did fix or solve the issue and debate that with him. You should also search for “logical fallacies” specifically “strawman argument” and educate yourself.
The evidence: the lack of tanks and healers
The data: yeah, let me just track down that data. I’m sure there’s a whole field of sociology devoted to tanking rates in retail wow. I’m sure you really want the data lol. But for real, I’ll get that data to you. In the meantime, I’d like to request your data. I really want to dig into this data with you. Honestly, I’m just glad that there’s finally someone here logical enough to really dig down into the data. What I’m looking for are any studies you might have that show the relationship between tanking/healing rates and spec flexibility. Full DOE/ANOVA would be nice, but not necessarily needed. But just, you know, for the sake of sound science and being data driven and all. You know what I’m talking about. We’re both scientists here. Not like these manbabies. Anyways, I look forward to working you. Your colleague- Enigmuh
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You have absolutely no way of proving this
I only asked for proof because huffpost asked me for proof. Really if you’re going to weigh in in the middle of a debate you should have read the previous comments. It was an attempt to get him to admit what I have admitted several times. All we have in this discussion is our opinions.
That is not evidence that dual spec didn’t add tanks and healers and make it easier to find groups. That is the strawman argument that if the problem was not 100% fixed then there was no improvement at all.
I am a scientist. I try to have intellectually honest and rational discussions but frankly I don’t think most people here are capable of logic or rational debate.
You can’t even prove that it somewhat helped the issue though, do you understand that?
Of course I understand that. I’ve admitted it several times. I try to be intellectually honest. You cannot prove that it didn’t. But you have never admitted it. All we have is our opinions and the rationality of our arguments and logical consistency. That’s all we can use in this debate. Rather than attempt rational debate you throw out strawman arguments and engage in diversion tactics to avoid discussing the real issues. Either you are educated and you know what you’re doing or you’re ignorant and unaware of how to have an intellectually honest and rational debate.
I do not believe that there is justification for adding dual specialization to the game when there already exists a way to change your talent points which functions as a gold sink as well as an incentive to NOT change your talents on a daily basis.
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Did guild banks get into classic? No? OK then. So why add dual spec to what it doesn’t belong in?
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Gold isn’t a problem for me. I respec up to 3-4 times a day at 50g each time on my druid, I did the same back then on my priest.
But people here are crying that we don’t have enough tanks. I main feral/tank on TBC right now, but if I’m resto I’m not going to pay 50g to help a random in LFG who needs a tank right now. 5g? Sign me up, I’ll just ask for the first 2-3 greens and call it even.
All I can do is shake my head when I read your posts.
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I ignored him because of that. I had whiplash whenever I read a post from him…
So, you are allowed to ask for what you want added.
I am allowed to ask for it not to be added.
And everything that follows devolves into namecalling and trolling.
Meanwhile;
/4 > Resto shaman lfg heroics.
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TBC classic is like a beautiful marble statue of a man with his nose knocked off (the nose symbolizes a game without boosts and store-bought mounts).
what you’re saying is we might as well knock the statue’s arm off too, since it’s already damaged.
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It’s a shame the current option to find groups in tbc classic is to make friends and talk to people, no one playes online games to do that!
I was always under the impression that the actual solution to finding groups was if you were a character that can tank you should tank instead of complaining about not being able to find one, or if you are a class that can heal… Heal instead of complaining all the other players of said class also won’t heal. But what do I know? I believe in solutions to problems, not being a problem to the solution.
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the best WoW joke will always be: a paladin, a druid, and a warrior walk into a bar. “LF2M tank and healer!!”
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