Dual Spec.. please?

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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You know what’s interesting is since I’ve been arguing with you over dual spec, I’ve noticed that your guild tag has changed ~3 times. Definitely twice at least.

I don’t think it’s a mystery to anyone why you can’t easily find a place to settle down.

You don’t communicate well, you’re exceedingly below-average at the class you play, and I can pretty much see how any discord conversation with you would go.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a portion of these bygone guilds were the ones who got rid of you (good for them). Maybe you left them…since you were edged out and weren’t “a good fit”.

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5057

He has been told this 1000x, Ziryus. It doesn’t coincide with his alternate reality which he continually restates as if it changes anything.

5058

Seem to have struck a nerve.

5059

Notice how none of that has anything to do with the thread?

On that tangent, I might have to switch guilds again in the nearby future since my IRL work shifts have changed. We’ll see. I’d rather not since the guild I’m in has been making good progress on Phase 2 content.

Kanshu already got some T5 stuff too.

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5060

He isn’t making a totality argument, only that in this specific case, you’re relying on #nochanges and just naming it “design intention” instead. Relying upon the original design space and not budging from it is a #nochanges argument, as it is literally “do not deviate from the original blueprint”

This was once a valid and quite impenetrable position to hold… back in Vanilla Classic. Every original blueprint is subject to fresh scrutiny now, and we’ve had whole interviews explaining exactly what that means. The ability and freedom to change is substantially broader, with original TBC being more of an outline than a strict rule book.

Now you’re just being rude and purposefully so.

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5061

Maybe it’s flattering in a you have stalker kind of way that she’s following someone’s guild’s that closely?

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5062

You’re clueless or you’re lying. It’s always hard to tell which it is with you. It takes more than 10 minutes to do 3 or even 2 non combat dailies.

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5063

Dont dish it if you can’t take it, are the words that come to mind.

You’re free to report me though if you think I’m breaking TOS. :ok_hand::ok_hand::ok_hand::relieved::relieved:

5064

It did on my server. It was a small amount quicker for my healers but it vastly lowered the time it took to get a group on my dps alts.

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5065

Same here, people would definitely switch specs to fil the current need for tanks/healers.

Was it perfect? No? Did anyone claim it would be? No.

Did groups that otherwise wouldn’t have happened without dual spec happen? Most definitely.

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5066

I don’t really care. It’s not really stalking anyway since it’s publically-available information and Kumasama is a video-game character.

Yes.

Funny because I’ve never been rude to Zipzo. Ever. And I dare him to conjure some quote proving I have been rude to him.

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5067

There is not a single soul in this thread with any common sense who would believe this statement to be even remotely similar to reality.

:joy:

I personally have felt your rudeness non-stop, and you aren’t really in the position to gauge your own rudeness. MOST people are rude without knowing it, that’s why they have to get called out, so consider this an eye opening moment for you.

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5068

Someone telling you that your arguments are largely incoherent or irrelevant, and then posts the receipts, is in no way comparable to trying to just outright call someone incapable of staying socially connected with other people.

“You’re arguing badly…”
“Well you probably have no friends and are a virgin! HA!!”

Not quite the same at all.

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5069

Zero quotes provided. Why am I not suprised?

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5070

Good paraphrase…

Ignoring the fact that the scenario you wove for this post is imaginary, your problems are as glaringly obvious as they always have been: you simply can’t be wrong even when your wrongness is staring you in the face.

Kuma, nor you, have pretty much never succeeded, not even a single time, to make a convincing counter argument.

It’s always #somechanges. Even when you think you’re “gotcha”-ing people with older quotes, they’re usually unrelated, irrelevant, and correlated poorly.

If you are truly a lawyer I weep for your clientele if only because I’d hate to see just how much of an ugly mess you’d make things in a case where you’re clearly losing :sweat_smile:

Because that’s what this all is, pro-dual spec people flailing about trying to grab at straws, only ever landing back at square 1: #somechanges, well congratulations, you guys got yourself a real case there :ok_hand:

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5071

Do you know what the definition of a liar is?

Do you know how many times you’ve called me one?

Are you prepared to justify each and every single time you’ve called me a liar, adhering strictly to the definition of lying?

Because if you miss one beat, you’ve been rude. Calling people liars without actual justification is considered rude, probably even wherever you’re from.

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So has mine. Make what ever you want about that. These are chaotic times in the game on many servers. I left a guild I was with since the beginning of classic because there weren’t many people on late at night when I played. We parted as friends and I continued to pug with them. If I needed help I’d ask my former guildmates. If they needed a healer they’d ask me. I healed Brd for one of their lowbie alts when I was 70. I than joined a much larger guild and had a great time with them for a couple of months. But they decided the population decline was making it too hard to find groups and most of the guild transferred to Mankirk. I decided to stay behind. I was recruited by 4 guilds when UR transferred off. I picked the one but I slowly came to the realization that I’d have to transfer off to. I did that a few days ago. Now that I’m on a new server I’m guild less again but I find one soon as I learn about the guilds and people on atiesh. If I had started on a huge mega server I’d probably be in the same guild but I rolled on a low pop rp server that eventually got too small to play on.

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5073

Nice quotes.

A - You think this is insufficient when Blizzard has already shown otherwise.
B - It isn’t just “change for the sake of change” but you never acknowledge it

/giggle

Winning cases doesn’t require persuasive rhetoric, that’s amateur TV nonsense. Nothing is quite as satisfying as listening to an attorney with a massive ego and a huge pedigree pontificate at length only to be shut down with a simple response that cuts through the noise about persuasion and convincing and just gets down to the rules as they stand.

Even when the judge slaps that attorney down, they don’t ever admit they were wrong, and often are too embarrassed to even be cordial after the fact.

I just won on summary judgment, on the papers (ie no oral argument), on seven counts in federal court. Why? Because for all the bluster about theft and doing the wrong thing and lying and avoiding obvious best practices and a host of other emotionally laden rhetoric… the plaintiff filed their claims too late and under the wrong law. 30+ page original filing, another 100+ worth of responses and rebuttals, and thousands of pages of evidence submitted… all to be struck down by less than 10 pages on my end.

Plus I got attorney’s fees because they were so bad at it.

Sounding persuasive and getting it right are two very different things.

You don’t argue in good faith, and you’re dug in to your own aesthetic preferences. We aren’t trying to convince you, we never have. You’re a distraction at best.

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5074

It hurts the product that I was advertised and makes it worse at what I was promised it would be. You’re taking away my dual-spec-less TBC permanently, with no other alternative available. Meanwhile, you have alternatives that have multi-speccing functionalities.

Okay Is 1st off how do I have more options than you do Exactly Because if you’re talking about private servers I could throw that argument right back at you and again Is we were all Is promised a good game.

Tbcc Is a good game But that doesn’t mean it didn’t have a chair of problems and the way you’re talking right now you’re going right back to #NoChanges

Which we saw the consequences of As for a spoiled little brat Yeah because I’m completely not thinking of not just myself the other people that want dull speck in the game.

And your argument seems to be well I was told that Duel spack This wouldn’t be in as a beginning therefore if it goes in now that promises broken.

Well 1st off no We weren’t promised same faction battlegrounds either And when it was announced neither Is was the changes to enchanting Joe crafting or leather working.

So you’re argument No offense is just selfish You’re saying well it would ruin my experience in my opinion and opinion and everybody should think the way I do.

Duel spack Does not destroy the game Is that you so clearly say that you The raids are unchanged His classes are not touched warlocks and hunters are still overpowered.

SLS and subtlety Is are still broken in PVP And retribution is still at the bottom of the list Is it’s better But you’re not competing with the best of them.

It’s not to say you can’t if you get sweaty enough but if you really want that you have to get really sweaty.

So Offense But you want to call me a spoiled little brat do tell how you aren’t Because it wasn’t at the game at launch.

Because it wasn’t in the game originally There’s no difference between me saying I want Dual spec because I feel it’s going to be better for the game.

And you saying We’re just wine and complaining This and it would make the game worse over all there’s literally no difference.

And as far as legion goes there’s a very big difference between asking for dual specs Is an asking legion in tbc.

And for the record I wouldn’t want that The furthest I would ever go Wrath classes Is with tbc raids.

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A person who calls me rude and doesn’t offer proof even when specifically asked for it?

I don’t, sorry.

Pretty sure you haven’t stopped being a liar since the last time I called you one.

I guess it’s a good thing I did so with justification, then.

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