If we’re pathetic winners then you’re just as bad the only difference is your arguments reversed You keep saying that we are saying I want I want.
Is do tell how it’s any different than you saying I don’t want I don’t want I don’t want.
His dual speck is needed Is it would help the game dramatically We’ve seen multiple private servers implemented and guess what I didn’t destroy the game there.
And yes sir it’s a little bit of a fewer number but there have been some classic servers to implement it as well And it didn’t kill the game there either.
Is so quite frankly by my standpoint I don’t see any good reason why it shouldn’t be put in.
It’s OK 1st off you’re gonna say that it’s not needed OK yeah you know what know what awesome technically wasn’t needed.
Is same faction battlegrounds technically weren’t needed, The jewel crafting Is enchanting and leather working changes techniquely weren’t needed.
Is the paladin seals technically weren’t needed technically you don’t need any of those things to take any log in and play
Yet They were implemented because to make the game better Is the enchanting leatherworking and Is enchanting, Is jewel crafting would have been toxic.
So yeah do you need dual speck to log into your character to move it to attack things technically no.
However Neither are the other changes that are listed up above I mean technically people don’t need to pvp but it’s what they enjoy right.
Technically you don’t need epic flying but that doesn’t stop people from farming for it My point is dual spec stops the game from becoming a job.
Is what’s why the reasons why retails so hated right now away because it feels like a job.
It’s one of many reasons but that’s the baseline it feels like a job while you’re doing his chores
Is not everybody once to eat live and breathe the game And not everybody wants to sit there farming gold for respect.
To try something different Is if the only thing keeping people from raid logging is the farm gold for respecting that’s not going to stop them from raidlocking they’re just not gonna do it.
Yup, we both pay a sub for a game that currently and rightfully doesn’t have dual spec.
I don’t see any problems needing to be solved, especially not ones that dual spec will solve.
That sounds like an opinion that does not match up with all the reasons I’ve heard from people I know who still play retail and dislike it in its current state, but I don’t play retail *shrug.
You’re vastly over-estimating the effort it takes to farm the gold necessary to respec. You’re acting like you have to give up your first born or become a sedentary 24/7 player to have the resources, when it’s not even close to that, it only takes a little bit of in-game effort.
I think this is the thing that gets me. The amount of PVE effort required for enough gold to respec a couple of times a week is tiny, not even half what a lot of people pay on consumes.
The only way people end up spending a lot is through doing many adhoc respecs.
Essentially this is an issue where people are being inefficient in their play choices. If I decide to wear inapproriate gear then all the encounters will be harder such that I don’t want to do them. Likewise if I respec in an adhoc unplanned way then I endup broke and find switching roles for content much harder than it needs to be. It’s an play issue not a feature issues.
Adding dual spec just removes the need to play better- more efficiently - in regard to managing gold resources.
It also removes the whole notion of having some level of commitment to a choice of spec. To such a degree that the dual spec itself becomes a pointless hurdle - why not adopt a truly versatile solution such as the retail solution, rather than arbitrarily restrict people to a choice of two?
The only case that seems somewhat valid to me is the case of pure pvpers, not casual pvpers. People that play for Arenas and only do as much PVE content as is absolutely required to be able to effectively participate in Arena. This one case is a case where if Blizzard finds this market to be one they desire keeping and maintaining then an Arena spec allowing them to avoid PVE grinding for gold could make some sense.
Because they play inefficiently with respect to this resource - gold and time.
Gold is a game resource, it’s fair to say that people that waste it are playing poorly IMO.
I PVP, Tank, DPS, materials farm, and quest. I do all of this multiple times a week. I segment my week into sections and manage to do all of this efficiently on 100g worth of respecs. All while working full time and doing a masters, with family commitments. I manage my time.
If you can’t that’s a play issue. Manage your time.
Else you are proposing that Blizzard remove an entire resource management mechanic because you want to be able to play poorly in this respect.
You’re suggesting people raid log solely because they don’t have dual spec - an assertion I don’t accept on face value.
PVEers grind stuff in TBC - that’s the way the game is designed. Those that don’t would be raid logging or buying gold anyway.
I mean, we could redesign the game to remove non dungeon crawling grinds - something like a TBC themed skyforge. But I reckon that would be a horrible game. The grinds are important to the content flow of TBC. At least from a PVE perspective.
The opposite. You raid log because you have nothing that you need outside of raids. If you don’t need gold, if you don’t need gear then you don’t log on. This is why I question your assertion that people raid log mostly due to lack of dual spec. I think it’s the opposite. I think people raid log because they’re flush with gold and gear and have no reason to log in accept to raid. There’s not enough gold sinks.
No I’m not. I’m assuming that giving people less to do isn’t going to make them play more. I’m questioning your assertion that they will.
You can’t say both that people don’t have time to play more than raid logging and then that if you gave them dual spec they’d have more time to do more than raid logging …
You seem to think people will play WoW regardless of what they are doing because you seem to think all activities in WoW are equal. And maybe to you they are, grinding gold is the same as raiding, is the same as arena, is the same as a dungeon, is the same as Bg…
But that’s simply not the reality for most people. And dual spec gives them the option of doing something they would enjoy vs just loggin out.
How? They have exactly the same to do minus the gold grind to respec in order to do it. That’s a net loss in things to do, not a gain.
You are literally saying that removing a grind by letting people skip it with a one off 1000g fee gives them more to do when the content available is exactly the same. It doesn’t add up.
No, the part I quoted was relevant to what I wished to respond to. I didn’t take it out of context - you meant what was quoted to mean what I responded to. I mean you think adding dual spec will give people more to do.
I didn’t quote this portion:
Because I don’t wish to address it. It assumes that I think something I don’t think. Pointless to respond to that failed psychoanalysis and then provides baseless speculation about player habits that I’ve already addressed and saw no need to address again.
At no point does that context change the meaning of what I quoted and responded to.
Again this is you finding my comments too difficult to address on merit and then trying to suggest I’m misquoting you in a way similar to the dirty tricks you mob pull off on a regular basis.
So here you are again - rather than staying on point, you’re instead trying to attack me as a hypocrite for doing what is common practice - accurately representing the part of your comment I wished to address in a quote and responding to it. That is not equivalent to misrepresenting you.
Obviously this is now going to be you claiming I’m creating smoke and mirrors - as you’ve adeptly made this about my reputation and me defending it rather than you addressing a valid argument I made on the topic.
Use this phrase on Riger the next time he accuses you or anyone else of misquoting him. Don’t even change the wording. Just say it exactly as it is written here.
Of course you don’t want to address it, it runs directly counter to your idea that people should simply farm gold for respecs since they’ll play WoW the same amount of time either way.
When the reality is they simply log out as WoW is a game they play for fun, and dual spec increases that fun, whereas farming gold is not fun.
I’d ask for proof behind your accusations, but I know it just leads to you posting reams and reams and using vague sophistry to create an alternate reality.