It’s not true I’ve made several arguments about it needing dual spec I would make an argument that saying it doesn’t Is Jess short sighted.
Again and I’ve stated this the game is not in a good state let me ask this if dual speck isn’t needed.
Why is nobody new coming to the game I mean is the influence of the lawsuit so great That literally nobody else is willing to try.
Or maybe Maybe it’s the fact That the barrier to entry to do anything else is so high people are going to do what they are going to do and be done.
Let alone I would make an argument that if people is people Don’t need to farm gold for anything but to respect to PVP then they’re still just not gonna do it not unless they’re already doing that hard core.
If you’re already in establish arena team yeah sure you’re going to be doing that however if you’re just wanting to I don’t know try it too you know jump in because we know pvp Is participation is quite low.
Across-the-board by the way It might just be because the fact that it’s like I’d like to try that but how many grinds a second gear said and on top of it.
Is having to spend a 100 gold every single time isn’t worth it maybe Maybe that’s the reason.
And maybe people would be on more if they could have I don’t know a farming speck that they don’t have to spend a 100 gold to go into every single time.
When they changed multiboxing most of the people I argued with on the multiboxer threads disappeared or maybe began posting on a different throw away lowbie alt. Those posting on these threads will do the same. They’ll just disappear and give us no chance to say I told you so.
You may disagree Is with dual spec But it doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be better for the game over all.
And help with the problems That are in the game now whether or not you agree or disagree one thing you have to admit the game is not in a good state.
One of the reasons for that because your soul restricted Everything you do has to have an annoying thing have an annoying thing behind you before you get to do the fun thing you want to do.
Is speaking of that you know that sounds a lot like shadow land Is what were the tumo’s biggest things complained about Sis he is complained about sense even before the game launched.
Oh I know switching covenance Is enconduit energy What was it that player said either one unless you’re a hardcore player you’re probably going to go with your best spec and just not switch.
Sounds a lot like the behavior we’re seeing now in tbc Like it or not if a buried entry is too high and annoying just to jump in people aren’t gonna do it.
As for proof of that I don’t need proof It’s everywhere How many videos how many protests how many times has those 2 subjects been Is brought over the last 6 months.
I don’t even need to do that you could Google search World of Warcraft shadowlands and probably the 1st 2 things that come up or gonna be there finally fixing condolence in conduit energy.
And yes I am completely aware That it there is a difference but what is the really big difference is it because.
Is gold in tbc Is is just as annoying to farm as Renowned in shadowants and yes it was time gated but still.
You are asking questions that serve a completely fallacious purpose in terms of why you need them answered.
You are very clearly making an argument by asking the questions you are asking, but you refuse to actually admit that you are attempting to make a point.
Otherwise we have no actual disagreement, and there is no argument to be had. It’s you asking me questions and just expecting me to feel obligated to answer your questions about historical fact even though you’ve plainly admitted you already know the answer which is a waste of time for all readers.
It’s like me asking you a math question and being bothersome if you don’t give me an answer. It’s irrelevant to the question of “Should dual spec be in TBCC?”, so you are totally justified in telling me to stuff my math inquiry where the sun doesn’t shine because it isn’t relevant. When they added SotM is completely unrelated to why dual spec should not be added to TBCC, therefore asking me when it was added to the game is not only irrelevant, but utterly insignificant as a data point to seek out or emphasize. It’s that simple.
It’s not simple because I think the answer is no. I like how the game is right now, without dual spec. I would like it less if they added dual spec. I will fight to keep my game from becoming worse.
It creates more problems than it solves, especially in light of TBCC’s purpose.
The Horde whiners represented a good portion of the favored faction by Blizzard. It was not a question as to if they were going to get HvH battlegrounds, but a matter of when.
Dual spec is a demand made by a small, insignificant portion of pathetic whiners that are not only nobodies, but are so insignificant that they need to post on their alts to try and convince people that their voice is more significant than it is.
This is a dude that misquotes half a sentence to mean the opposite then quotes the correct sentence again as an example of a contradiction … yes he is being this difficult (and dishonest) on purpose. He just wants to trap you into side arguments that he can then use to argue you’re evading the point.
I’m judgy about them inventing a context and meaning that wasn’t there in order to intentionally deceive the reader.
Quoting something without context but without changing its core meaning is fine and we do that all the time.
I quote partial things as does everyone but not in an effort to construct a different meaning. More for brevity.
I don’t remove the "not’ part of a statement to make it look like an affirmative. You’re doing your false equivalence thing again.
The problem isn’t the partial quote, it is the miscast of its meaning. Quoting single sentences and relevant parts is something we do all the time.
But misquoting like this:
“I don’t think you can say this is true”
as
“you can say this is true”
Is dishonest and a brazen attempt to misrepresent a persons views. It is not something I have ever done. I can’t say the same for some of the people I’ve been at loggerheads with.
I’ve called some of you out on this before and now you seem to think you’re turning the tables every time you point out that I haven’t quoted the entire post - asinine and completely missing the point of what the problem is.
A real life example from this thread:
Being intentionally misquoted by Kanshu as:
What he quoted and what I actually said are literally the opposite in meaning.
He then requoted it as if it was a separate comment to pretend it was an example of me contradicting myself.
This poster is literally purposefully lying and creating a false reality from mixing half quotes. That’s not at all equivalent to quoting only the relevant bits of a discussion.
See the full context below:
The problem isn’t that not all of the context was quoted - the problem is the dishonesty - that the quotes were strung together intentionally to mean the opposite of what was originally claimed. Lying is bad. Your attempt to defend lies by arguing falsely that I do the same thing is also dishonest and bad and it doesn’t excuse the lying.
You’re giving yourself permission to create false realities and defeat them in arguments then trash your opponents for holding that non existent opinion.
After twisting and misrepresenting peoples arguments like this you and a few others (some who admit they have no interest in honest discussion) proceed to push for us to defend against the false representations. Then you cast us as twisting and obfuscating the debate. You’re the one twisting it - you put us on the defensive by literally lying about our claims. Then turning it around saying we are doing what you are doing.
Nasty stuff. You’re masters of getting what you want. It helps that you seem to feel no obligation at all to be fair or honest. Ruthless commitment to your goals.
Makes this an incredibly toxic environment where no-one can trust anyone to discuss anything in good faith. Every comment and every claim could be fabricated, all should be treated as traps. Hard to see this leading to anything worth having. It’s a petition backed by a no holds barred anything goes flame war. Pretty much how most WoW forum topics run.
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It’s not true I’ve made several arguments about it needing dual spec[/quote]
Dual specs are not needed to play TBCC the recreation of TBC. This is the simple fact that intrudes on the delusions of the pro dual spec advocate and negates their stance on the grounds of absurdity. And thats me being nice in my assessment because the reality of their folly is one of desperation and blind greed and whole bunch of other not so nice things.
There is nothing that can be said that elevates dual specs into a place of necessity. So, no, you dont have an argument. You have a desire, a very personal one albeit shared, and its obvious to anyone who follows their perpetrated outrage that these guys cant be honest with anyone, including themselves.
Youll probably get dual specs for your dead TBC forever clusters when Wrath Classic comes out because no one will care by then. Kinda like how they brought out the lolchronobam for saving WBs on Era realms when there’s like 2 raid guilds and 200 people playing Classic/
OK one You’re wrong dual speck would make the game better and I want you to tell me do tell how would it make the game worse?
Secondly Is any argument you say I can always have a counter argument for Because here’s the fact.
Is a lot of your reason Is our opinion just like a lot of my reasons are like it or not.
And It’s not just your game it’s our game I’m just as much a part of this game as you are I pay a sub just like you do.
After the record I played the original tbc So I have every right and knowledge to base an opinion as you do.
Is yes tbc was a wonderful expansion but that doesn’t mean their work problems Is and I think dull speck would help solve those problems.
So I would disagree with you and I think the exact opposite dual spec would help solve a lot of this would help solve Allah the problems instead of make more problems.
In fact Out of all the good points of dual spec I can see maybe potentially one when I suggest a change in trying push for something I don’t do it without thought.
Is 1st thing I think of is how could this affect the game negatively And the facts are Is we’ve seen the good that Dual spec can do.
Ain’t quite frankly If the absolute worst thing that can happen is the top guilds say OK you guys have to have a 2 pve Specs Oh no the top 20% what a shock their supermid maxing.
These are literally people that cleared ssc and TK Is in an hour.