It’s both. Blizzard encourages players to use the community forums to submit feedback like this.
Feedback is a two way street - not actually just two way but multiparty. It is discussion and not simply petition. My point to the OP is that for a discussion to be productive there has to be an honest attempt to engage with the other sides of the argument. This simply isn’t occurring in this environment.
This doesn’t mean you can’t petition for change, but doing so here is doing so in a discussion environment. Or rather it is meant to be. Otherwise it just becomes fights and trash talk and stacking likes and numbers.
Edit: Maybe that’s acceptable - but I don’t see value in having a forum act like what amounts to an unmoderated campaign platform.
There’s an in game suggestions feature. You didn’t have to open your feedback up to discussion. You could have just sent your piece directly to Blizzard and left it at that.
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No. I’m not a diplomat and I’m not depending on getting on good terms with you. I respect your opinion, but it’s a waste of time to discuss the topic, since no decent arguments against it have been given so far.
The most commonly mentioned “counter argument” was The 50g is farmed quickly. but that’s not an argument against dual spec, especially since there are a lot of counter arguments for the “counter argument”.
In this regard, I had brought the example with the 1h time. If someone has 1h time to play arena, but has to farm 100g first so that he is ready to raid 1h later, he will not play arena but do something else. This can not be in the interest of the community or developers.
I’m really tired of having to make or discuss the same arguments over and over again. Especially since you also have not been discussing the topic for a long time, but actually only about me and my character traits.
So can you finally get back to the topic and if you don’t have anything constructive and new to bring up, then just keep away?
Thanks a lot!
But I can and I invited other players to support the “petition”. So what’s your point? You don’t like this thread? You don’t have to read or participate in it. 
If your idea is good enough you don’t have to be afraid of dissenting opinions. Bring em on!
I am not afraid of other opinions, I am just not interested in discussing them, especially as I already brought up everything about the topic, but haven’t read a single new “counter argument” for like, ehm, 2900 posts?`
And the idea is obviously good, that’s why so many people are in favor for it.
Then it’s not really appropriate to tell people to leave your thread. It’s an open discussion.
You seem super worried that blizzard might be reading this thread if you’re so desperate to shut it down.
No, I want the thread to keep going and I encourage everyone who wants to participate.
A discussion about the topic, but here is the issue: I came up with the wish, I brought several arguments and some polls showing that the wish is supported by a majority.
But there are like 5-10 guys spamming this thread over and over with “Your opinion is wrong”, “you can farm the 50g if you want to change talents” and so on.
I asked them for good reasons that are speaking against dual spec, especially since they have basically no negative impact for like 99% of the player base. Do you think I got some decent arguments? Nope, most are not even trying, just continue the same crap since 2900 posts.
And you are really curious why I am tired about that and ask them to keep away if they have no new arguments to discuss? If the idea would be bad, they had no need to come here and talk it bad with massive spam posts, right?
Well if you’re interested in the “opinions of the devs” I’m curious which devs who’s opinions matter most to you? The dev team has changed drastically several times throughout the lifespan of the game.
Logically, the devs who’s opinion should matter most are the opinions of the people who designed TBC but we know how they felt about dual spec when they made TBCC and it’s not a happy ending for your camp…
If your most favored dev opinions are that of people who designed retail…what is it even that you’re doing here in the first place? You have an option chocked full of their “opinions” fully realized in to a playable game. Go play there.
I think you’ve been honest by and large. But we fundamental disagree on the purpose and value of discussion.
To be frank I can chalk this up to a misalignment of objectives between us.
I have serious misgivings about the trustworthiness and behaviour of other posters here though but I don’t put you in that category. We disagree and that’s fine.
So the same devs who decided to add dual spec in the first place? Yeah we should go with their opinion and add dual spec.
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The devs that currently have the power to make a decision about adding dual spec to TBC classic.
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No its an opinion. Just like mine is an opinion
Weapon Choice and Having abilities from different spec tree available to you regardless of your overall chosen spec. I.E. if you chose to go partially fury and partially arms. Or partially combat and partially assassination. In retail you cannot do that because. You pick your tree and you can only select talents from THAT tree. Period. You are then locked into a specific weapon that correlates to that tree and all other options are removed.
Because one is you investing points into a talent tree
The other is a skill you learned at a low level from a trainer that isnt tied to your spec. But they later decided in the game that specs should be locked to weapons.
Why SHOULD they be if they werent before? What good reasoning would there be to remove choices from the game?
Because you invested points into a tree that allowed you to learn Swiftmend. Then you reset those points and you no longer have that ability.
If i leveled my warrior and had the option to Use 2h swords from a weapon trainer (not a class trainer) regardless of what talent points i picked. Why would respeccing dictate which weapons i use? You could literally get to level 10 and go to the major cities and learn all of the weapons available for your class without spending a single talent point.
Yeah i do. And thats specific to THEIR class. But in any spec they can use a 1h and a shield right? What if they just completely removed that option from every spec except for Resto? Wouldnt that be a nonsensical change?
In WOTLK warriors had to spec into 51pt fury to dual wield 2h weapons. Im not arguing or advocating for warriors to be able to do that in ANY spec. Because dual wielding 2h weapons is…SPECIFIC TO THAT SPEC. Thats how it was DESIGNED at its inception and creation process.
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While I applaud your honesty I do think your “good arguments” essentially boil down to this analogy:
If there’s enough kids clamouring for more icecream the parent is obliged to given and get it for them.
You seem fine with game design by straw poll but I see that as bad design and a poor argument.
Maybe I’m missing something here but it seems to be the gist.
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You are missing that reasons beyond “it’s popular” were presented by the OP.
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The only reason given that has been given any attempt to quantify or supply evidence for is the contention that it’s popular. At least there some polling has been supplied. The rest is pure conjecture and imo wishful thinking.
Even the straw polls refered to are not particularly well crafted or targetted but I respect the attempt to quantify the popularity of the feature. I do thing the polls are generally indicative of the features popularity.
So the only vaguely demonstrable basis for making the change that’s been given is that it is popular. That’s not enough on its own.
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OK one I want to see you get all those daily’s done in 10 minutes especially if you have to fight other people for it and I can only see you doing that if you either one is either 1 have a 5 man group.
Is or 2 you have really good gear in our GPS class and even the escort quest is here they’re so sillensory tonight you have to wait for them to respond so even that’s kind of R and G.
2nd of all questing for a tank and healer is not fun and nor is it fun for PVP no I will not say that dual speck would have solved the cue time problem however I would also make an argument it was the fact that blizzard did no racial Balancing That caused that.
You don’t believe me look at how many people joined horde at the beginning of tbc.
And I would make an argument that yes the changed health P pvp the overall problem and health of it is still bad.
It’s for a very simple fact like it or not people like playing the optimal spec when they’re doing an activity And farming is not fun in some cases you can’t get away with it yeah OK you could kind of get away with pvp Is healing Is in A PVE speck but you still need the Is gear.
However This is not the case with DPS for one simple reason A PVE rogue versus A PDP rogue the differences way too much.
And on a very short note before I continue yes I saw the post about the mutilate change being asked for my feeling on the matter for that is this I played a rope back in the day assassination is crap DPS.
Whether they made that change or not So that would be one of those yes I would say that’s just a change for the sake of change play combat for pve and sup for pvp.
Anyway My point is people are going to want to play in the spec that’s ideal for the situation 90% of the time
Is especially the way people play the game now yes the battleground change was necessary I would make an argument it probably should have been at at lunch however I would also make a same argument that they made the change to make the game better.
And by my standpoint Does the exact same thing That’s the core arguing here No matter what opinion is no matter what it is the really big question is does dual spec make the game better.
Now in my opinion yes And yours not so much Now if you ask me ideal and an ideal world blizzard puts it on the ptr to see how things go.
But this is blizzard but so who knows But anyway my point is is this Yes the same faction battlegrounds were good and necessary but I would stink for the continued health of all aspects of the game and just a better player experience dull speck is necessary.
The OP clearly explained why it is popular not just that is popular.
That you don’t understand those reasons as you play the game differently than most players doesn’t mean those reasons aren’t true.
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