The poles are bais in the fact most people come to the forums to complain and cry, so it’s far more likely that people who want dual spec will see them and vote. I don’t want dual spec and only became aware of those poles about a week ago and have not voted on them because they are a joke. The sample size used isn’t even 0.01% of the player base. And the location of said poles is far more likely to be seen by people complaining about the game instead of those actually PLAYING the game.
Maybe, but why did it ended up for Blizzard to bring in dual spec anyways with wrath, when most people didn’t want it? And why did it never got removed, when it was so bad for the game?
All we are asking for is to implement that feature a few month earlier, as it will come anyways.
It harms the game in multiple ways, but your ignoring how it harms the social aspects of an mmorpg because of your personal desire for your preferred changes.
If you want dual spec you have 2 options, wait for WotLK classic, or go to retail.
About the poll: they weren’t made mainly in the forum, but on reddit, or on streams from popular classic/tbc PvE streamer. So your intention is, that only people who are unhappy with the game are watching streamers or read reddit?
And no, I don’t see where it harms the game. I only see where the missing system harms the player.
Or I take option 3 and ask Blizzard to consider to implement it a few month earlier.
Duel specs should be in the game for a price of your time. I would grind the gold to duel spec because of the convenience factor in the end but there are the herbs that are fine playing the game with the changes Blizzard has made but will fight you on this subject which is silly IMHO.
Dual spec was added as an attempt to improve the tank and healer shortage, and it didn’t work. Then they added LFD to try and fix it. This also didn’t work after the first few weeks, then they added bonus incentives for tanks and healers to que, this also didn’t work as que times continued to be over 2 hours after the first few weeks of it being implemented. Then they made heroics very short, easy, and fast with extra reward levels to help keep tanks cycling through the que system and after all those changes ques finally averaged around 15-30 minutes until stuff was heavily on farm.
It came at the cost of social aspects, game play difficulty on the individual scale, and removed the need to talk to each other even in said dungeons because no CC was even needed, they are aoe them down and move to the next 5 pack pull, unless your doing the very peak of mythic plus, which you never pug for anyway.
All the attempted fixes blizzard implemented over the years to try and fix the tank and healer shortage for players who refuse to build friendships in an mmorpg all pulled away from the values that were used to make tbc. Which included talking to people.
Dual spec hurts the game, wait for WotLK classic or go to retail if you want it so badly that tbc classic feels unplayable to you.
That argument is also beyond stupid.
There aren’t any in stone written rules how the social aspect of a mmorpg has to be. But there is another rule: a mmo needs a massive player base, therefor frequently played times.
This player base is currently dropping, as people prefer to logout instead of farming gold, but also because as a horde player for example, you are currently waiting 30-60 mins for a bg invite. Dual spec wouldn’t fix the problem entirely, but could help out to do so at least.
That was one aspect and it did work out, just not to the amount they hoped for. Dual spec doesn’t make any hybrid instantly a tank or healer just because they have the option to. But dual spec brought more tanks and healer than you would have without dual spec. That’s a fact.
And dual spec was also implemented, so people weren’t stucked to their talents and could enjoy other aspects of the game without being punished. For example to switch between PvP and PvE if they want to enjoy both content.
Not everyone uses redit or watches the streamers, and even then most who do will sheep for the streamer. “X said dual spec good, must vote yes on his pole, baaa”
Those poles were not seen by most of the people who are busy PLAYING the game.
and adding dual spec directly moves away from the core game design tbc had of choices made should matter. It’s why gear doesn’t change when you change specs, like in retail. It’s why professions have costly specialization quests and it’s even more expensive to change said specializations. It’s why professions have rare world/raid/dungeon drop patterns that you have to farm to have some of the better recipes instead of the trainer having it all. It’s why every class and spec was given something to make them wanted for raid content to have at least 1 of them per raid, it’s why gems are destroyed on use instead of being able to take them back out to reuse them, same with enchants. Choices matter and changing your mind has a cost. That is part of tbc design
You clearly don’t want tbc classic at this point, especially if you so easily stop playing because a small grind of 100g makes you want to go play a different game or watch Netflix.
So your goal to fix the mmorpg is to get players to play less by adding dual spec so they don’t have to play the game to play the game… I don’t think tbc classic is the game for you friend.
But even less people are reading the forum.
“Redheadchild said dual spec is bad, must be bad!” - you got the point, right? If they are all just followers who don’t think for themselves, then your argument would carry no weight anyway.
Where are the polls then that most people don’t want dual spec? History has shown us, that dual spec was a wanted feature! Wanted by the majority of players…!
I do. But as much as they have implemented daily heroic quest, which wasn’t part of the original tbc, but it gives people more content, dual spec would also fit that. So why not implement it. It has more advantages than disadvantages.
Only because you don’t like it for what ever “mimimi” reason, doesn’t mean a lot of people could make use from it, which would help to fix other situations passively as well.
They actually play more.
When they have to farm gold first to enjoy another content, they skip the gold farming and do other stuff in the meanwhile, like watching netflix or twitch. But if they can do some arena games before bed, without being punished with 100g for that wish, they could actually get the idea to enjoy that, instead of watching netflix/stream.
So overall, they would play more, not less! I don’t know why you guys don’t get that into your heads. You argue like they would farm the 100g each time they want to do just a few bgs or arena games. But the fact is: deffo not. They will stick to their raid talents and logout instead!
The reason is easy: If you have 1 hour left but need 45-90 mins to farm the gold for the respecs, who wants to do that? Correct, basically nobody!
The man really said dual spec will make people play less. No now you actually can play the other half of the game in the correct spec
Players like you hurt the game.
The heroic daily WAS part of tbc… it was added toward the end, but it was tbc. What patch was dual spec added again? 2.x or 3.x?
Maybe you never did the daily heroic but it was part of tbc.
And 100g is easy to get. Takes 10-20 minutes when done right. Your again arguing that people shouldn’t have to play the game, to play the game. If you don’t want to spend the respec gold the solution is easy, make a second character for pvp, so you have one for pve, and one for pvp. Just because you fail to comprehend how an mmorpg should have social elements like talking to people to form groups for group content doesn’t mean dual spec is good for the game. If you want dual spec, there’s another game outside of tbc classic made just for you with all those convenient tools designed to make you not need to talk to anyone and not need to play the game, to play the game.
The decision to bring in dual spec was also made during tbc, even when implemented in wrath.
But you actually say, it’s fine to bring in daily quests a few month earlier, but the same for dual spec would destroy the game?! Yeah, okay dude, troll yourself!
I think of the dual spec mentality has the same reasons we wound up with gear that only has 4 stats that are good for EVERY class and spec. Which imho has been terrible for the game.
You dont need to be the ideal spec for everything you do. If you do feel the need to do so you can farm the gold to purchase respecs whenever you choose. Just like you can farm multiple gear sets and spend time/resources to have that option.
One of the main reasons I play a smite priest. It gives me the ability to flex DPS & Heals without changing specs and I am against dual-spec for the same reason.
Because your class gives you a semi optimal option do be a weird hybrid that can both do a 80° degree?
That’s like you want an arms tank to pick some def points and let him tank a raid. That’s absurd!
The only thing I lose is utility when in DPS spec as the actual DPS numbers my class brings is comparable to Shadow Priest. The main difference is that my utility is that of a flex/emergency healer while the shadows utility is that of Shadow Weaving/Misery/Vampiric Touch. (I also do provide Divine Spirit and Improved Divine Spirit as utility in either Heal or DPS spec)
However if Dual-spec was a thing there would be 0-reason for the utility of a flex healer to exist as I simply could fully respec back and forth between Shadow and Holy.
Yeah, you. But you only play one class and might be happy with the state you have. But neither can you talk for every other class nor do you have to be so selfish.
Neither for you. Wasn’t your argument to question the polls, that only people are voting for the poll when they are unhappy with the game because otherwise they would be ingame instead of reading the forum?
So either you destroyed your own argument or you are unhappy yourself, or you shouldn’t be here in the forum but ingame. When you are not, you must be unhappy with the game state based on your logic…
As I’ve said, you aren’t creating tanks and healers like you think you are. The majority of these players will do a PvP and PvE build. They won’t bother to tank or heal. Those who will tank or heal will only do it after they’ve exhausted their resources trying to take a tank or healer from you. Then and only then will they tank or heal for themself before they return to DPS spec. This doesn’t do squat. You need actual tanks and healers in circulation who do not in any capacity add to the DPS surplus you are complaining about. It’s temporarily removing a DPS from that list until they are ready to DPS again. This isn’t rocket science. You want a tank or healer? Then be a tank or healer.