Dual Spec.. please?

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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I honestly don’t see how the whole point is to give us a good recreation of tbc You don’t see me here asking for class balance.

You don’t see me here saying How the way they’re bringing out content is a mess and especially how through and especially how there is no Guild banks at the beginning.

And that’s before we go into racial balancing I’m not even gonna touch on that because it’s a mute point.

What I’m asking for is a feature That lets people play the game and have more fun farming is not fun.

And if you look at how most people are acting you wonder what’s gonna happen just what’s happening now they’re gonna raid they’re gonna get bored.

And they’re gonna go this isn’t worth just to try and shouldn’t that be what we’re trying to encourage let people have a reason to play the game more.

And actually do things that they want to do instead of going oh well by respect now I know I have to farm twice as much gold.

Is the same reason why the classic pvp system was garbage Because not only did you have to farm for to gain your rank you asked chili had to farm 20% more on top of it.

And if you give people The Choice they’re just not gonna do it why because it’s not worth the farm I’m that much extra gold just to try something.

Battlegrounds and arenas can be fun but they cannot be fun if you’re a tank Even if you’re gonna make the argument OK you don’t have to be optimal for certain classes that’s not an option.

Take it for someone that’s done it arena is not fun as a prop palli as a prop Polly or a prop Warrior.

Why because you don’t do damage it’s that symbol And the same thing goes for heroics I’m sorry but I wanna see a video of a fury prot Warrior.

Is doing any type of heroic they would get crushed and you know it The only way that doesn’t happen is either one yd killer’s way overgeared or everybody else is way overgeared.

But anyway I want dual speck in the game because I can see the good points in the very little bad point are minescual.

I’ve gone over the point white dual speck is good several times and I always look what the potential problems could be.

And again there’s so small in comparison to all the good it will do plain and simple

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I don’t consider myself to be smart - and I think you’re only saying this to paint a picture of me as presumptuous and arrogant so you can tear it down. You’d make a completely different conclusion if I happened to agree with you.

Again you’re attacking the man and not the point. Just put your point forward as I have and accept that we’re not all going to agree with each other - no need to start psychoanalysing me or casting insults. You have no idea how I view myself so please don’t pretend to know me.

Just stick to your point and argue that. Attacking my or trying to pretend to know my motives is just cheap.

By the way - do you see the unfair dilemma you put me in? On one hand you are accusing me of not articulating my position and then when I try to you, your pal accuses of not giving enough detail. When I give a more detailed response you accuse me of trying to be smart and too detailed with “walls of text”. Silence is the only argument you will accept from me.

The only counter I can give to your position that you accept as valid is total support and agreement. You’re not actually here to discuss, you’re here to push your agenda and people that disagree with you are simply obstacles to be maligned and silenced. This is what I mean by bad faith arguments, I answered your question with points and you brush it off as “pointless walls of text”.

I’m very much expecting a circular reply saying I’m doing the same thing in challenging your response as I am accusing you of doing.

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And so are your arguments against it I mean people say that oh we just want dual respect because it’s I want I want I want.

Well we see it as you guys saying we don’t we don’t we don’t so what’s the difference.

We see it as a good change for the game that’s going to open up open up opportunities for people to try new things.

And like it or not the way people play the game now people want to play optimally Nobody goes into kaera as Is fury Pratt at least not if they actually seriously in have any intention of tanking.

Like it or not if you want to do a role you need to be spect and geared for that role that’s how that works.

Now kind of prop pally do off healing It’s sure I do it every single week on maiden Can a rat palli slap on some holy year and do some off healing Sure.

But you’re not going to see someone quewing Saying I’m a healer when they’re a ret palli in healing gear it doesn’t work.

Especially as a pallet because your job is hearted enough as is Is just plain and simple.

Is anyway my point is Dual spec does not take away from the core design of tbc.

Like it or not people play the game differently now And like it or not dual spec fits the player base mold a lot better than it did back in 2007.

And if you really want to refer to the blue post OK let me ask you this How can they didn’t fix drums back in the day.

That probably wasn’t a design intent but it still happened and the same thing with enchanting and Joel crafting that probably was in design intent but it still happened.

They probably didn’t intend Warriors to be literally the best tanks and best melee DPS in the game but it still happened later on but it still happened.

My point is some changes fit the player base we have now better than the playerbase we had back then.

Just like on the same and back then Most people didn’t even know what seal twisting was again another difference between people now to back then and the list goes on.

Put quite simply Maybe the lack of dual speck was OK back then akvend I would make an argument I would still would have liked to have seen it but it is what it is.

But right now in the player base that we have right now we need dual spec Because I hate me one to say it but the games not doing great.

So let me ask you this like it or not you have to grip this dual spec will increase accessibility.

That’s just a fact It will encourage people to at least have the idea to try something else that is also a fact.

And right now that’s what we need because the game isn’t dead per se but it’s on its way there.

So let me ask you this Is is it not worth to try a feature that we know will hawe know we’ll help with the problems

Is that the game has now It’s rather than just waiting and like well nothing’s getting better and just wait watching the game die slowly.

And another point let me ask you another question If the lack of no changes was so good Why are classic realms dead.

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We have several polls have talked about several times several very popular private servers that did very well.

Multiple YouTube are talking about it And it’s been in the discussion since even before classic was announced.

So yeah Maybe it’s not as big of a problem as the faction in balance but it still would help the game regardless.

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Aren’t you the person I quoted who couldn’t help but continually contradict yourself within every sentence?

So, is up down and down up still or are you going to actually say something consistent for a change?

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Can you pinpoint a single contradiction - quote me please don’t just assert it.

You called me contradictory but you didn’t quote me contradicting myself. You just claimed that I did. Mainly on the basis that you believe I hold a view I don’t actually hold - a strawman others have calculatedly put up.

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Sorry, but I showed you contradicting yourself and your only response was that you were okay with it. So, not sure what you’re trying to do at this point since you’re basically okay with saying one thing one moment and then saying the opposite another moment.

Maybe if you were consistent, there would be some way to communicate with you properly. As things stand right now, it’s impossible to hold a conversation with someone who says up is down and down is up whenever it suits them.

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No you didn’t. You claimed that you did.

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No, I trust the memories of those who already read this enough to not repeat myself. If you’re not keeping track of what you’re saying or whatever the people you’re speaking with or saying, then it’s futile even keeping up with a conversation with you.

I prefer to speak with people who are invested in a conversation. Seems to me you just want to be right, even if it means being contradictory.

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Fine I don’t trust your memory or your motives. I think you and your pals are railroading discussion purposefully to discredit me - probably because my argument before was affective.

You have never ever demonstrated effectively that I contradicted myself and you claiming that I did without showing where I did is absolutely meaningless.

You have no commitment to truth or discussion at all in these claims - deplorable.

Funny thing is I am actually not against change, never have been. It is the completely manipulative arguments you’re engaging in that draw me in every time.

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Which means you do because you’re contradictory so I have no problem with this.

These aren’t my pals. The fact that you’re under such an impression that people who agree are somehow conspiring against you is absurd and egocentric.

Okay, Hillary.

But you’re contradictory. So you are against changes. Until you’re not.

Yeah, given how often you reply to others here without saying anything of substance, I think you’re correct. You do seem to lack a sense of self-agency. Maybe you’re addicted to replying to people here and should probably see somebody about that. Not exactly healthy–there’s a lot of depressed people who frequent Facebook, Twitter, and other websites that facilitate social interaction.

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you don’t have arguments. All you have is I don’t want it I don’t want it.

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No it’s the fact that a few of you are centring the discussion around whether or not I’m credible rather than discussing any particular point I’ve made.

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The fact that Seal of the Martyr exists in TBC Classic keeps Arielba up at night.

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You continually point out how the dual spec wasn’t in TBC at launch as proof it’s bad for TBC Classic.

And then claim the devs can make mistakes.

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Maybe stop making contradictory points and then we’ll discuss them.

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When?

I claimed that dual spec counters the intended design behind respeccing - that’s not the claim you’re saying I made. I never ever claimed that the fact that dual spec wasn’t in TBC proves that it shouldn’t be in TBCC. That’s not at all a claim I made or that I am making.

I wrote one of my infamous walls of text outlining the difference.

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While I appreciate the time you spent writing that response, I don’t care. Everything was said a few months ago in the first few hundred replies in this thread. You could simply read them and see what people replied then to those same arguments you’re making now. I don’t want to talk to you at all. You’re not worth the time or the effort. I’m only using you to bump the thread. And all your replies to me it are just another bump in the thread.

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He’s going to feign amnesia about this as well, I assume.

I mean, how often does one need to repeat oneself to Riger before you realize Riger just doesn’t care or has goldfish memory.

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Maybe demonstrate one single point I have made that was contradictory.