I’d say between us you’re more tragically misguided, because you came to TBC expecting dual spec, when literally all factual history shows it never had it.
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Those #nochangers would be so mad if they could read.
I’m still waiting for some kind of justification for adding dual spec to tbc.
“other changes exist, therefore dual spec”
is not valid.
That’s not what we’re saying…
The fact it wasn’t in actual TBC is a reason. One reason. It’s not the only reason. The response to “Well what about all the other changes?” is, “We tolerate them, but no more please, especially not dual spec”.
Make sense?
Also, if your best advice is “go play on a private server” I’m not sure Blizzard would entirely agree with that argument.
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to these doofuses you can either be against all changes OR for every single change. this is literally what they’re arguing 
There was a survey that Blizzard sent out for people coming into TBC Classic dedicated to Dual Spec. I wonder why Blizzard would have people fill out a survey.
What a mystery this is…
The only reason we do that is that your side keeps drawing false equivalences between a theoretical no changes game that doesn’t exist. If you didn’t keep using authenticity as an argument we wouldn’t keep pointing out that it’s long gone. We’re not saying add this change because of these other changes. We’re disputing your argument for authenticity by pointing out the other changes. This is how you lie. You’ve read the threads and you know that. If you were truly honest you’d admit it or at least not compound the lie by spreading it.
No there wasn’t.
I did not expect Dual Spec.
I’m requesting Dual Spec because Blizzard asked us to discuss the kinds of changes we’d like to see:
“This is a modern community, very different from the community that played the game back in 2007, and making sure that we’re servicing their needs. So it’s a little different than our mantra of Classic of just #NoChanges. Like, it was very much just pure authenticity, warts and all, we’re gonna do it the way it was. This one’s gonna be more like, well what do people want from this game”.
– Patrick Dawson, Production Director.
There was. You just didn’t get it.
Okay. I think we can both agree that one of the goals of TBCC is to…well, provide the TBC experience, right? Recreate it, so to speak? Not remaster it.
It means we have a base guideline to follow. That guideline being the actual TBC.
Now, Blizzard has made a few deviations from that guideline in the name of balance or avoiding toxic gameplay or whatever.
It doesn’t mean the guideline gets thrown out the window. It should still be intrinsic and ultimately the first reference when it comes to all change considerations.
here’s a quote:
Burning Crusade Classic is a faithful recreation of the original release of World of Warcraft®: The Burning Crusade®.
from: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/wowclassic
guess what isn’t faithful to TBC? dual spec
guess what could be reasonably argued to be faithful to TBC? a bunch of minor technical changes that you keep bringing up.
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Improves player choices, they can participate in dual spec and have the added convenience or they can not get it and flog themselves to their purist fantasies
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It increases availability of tanks and healers making it more accessible to players. This doesn’t necessarily mean anyone would ever want to group with you still but most people will notice a difference.
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It removes an inconvenience. Right now people are already respec’ing mid raid to fill roles, it happens every single day. It would improve their overall experience to not have to do this.
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It improves willingness to cross over between PVP and PVE. I know players that don’t do arena or don’t do PVE content and only do PVP because, and this was said to me on discord “nah f respc’ing, maybe if they put a class trainer in shatt”
See the problem here though is whether or not you acknowledge people play the game differently than you.
Those are all valid reasons to include dual spec. They might not apply to you but they do apply to some and at the end of the day we’re trying to have a discussion so you can counter those points, or like so many of you in this thread I’m sure you’ll just ignore them and tell me the same thing that amounts to:
“I want to play the original TBC”.
Well it’s not the original TBC so maybe you should go back to retail? (see what i did there?)
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made a butt of yourself? lol
I think you’re straddling a pretty fine line between requesting and expecting. Being aggressive at the first sign of “no” is a clear indicator that this is more than a mere inquiry without any personal investment.
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Come on man, are you seriously going to sit here and try to argue the changes made so far are minor.
really?
what a joke.
Like min-max meta gameplay? The same min-max meta gameplay that is pervasive in all aspects of the game? The same min-max meta gameplay that forces players to respec to participate in different forms of content, far more often than they would have in original TBC? The same min-max meta gameplay that is killing Arena participation because players can’t casually login to play matches with friends without respeccing and throwing away hundreds of gold a week?
The same toxic, min-max meta gameplay that convinced Blizzard to add the Tinnitus debuff to drums?
People don’t want to schedule their Heroic dungeons around tanks and their respecs.
People don’t want to schedule Arena games with their partners around respecs.
Dual Spec goes a long way to drastically improving the current TBC experience.
People don’t wont idiots like you and your ill gotten ilk ruining their game either
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It would ruin it for me.
Which is why I’m glad it’s not in the game.
If you want to keep requesting it at the complete negligence of people like me who would feel their experience is hurt by it’s inclusion, go right on ahead, but it just illuminates that it’s more of a selfish endeavor than anything. You play a Paladin so I get it, you have a lot to gain. I’m a druid, so technically I have even more to gain, but I still do not want dual spec as an option.
Technically I’m not ruining your game because it’s not like I’m asking for it to be removed, there’s nothing to remove, but by pushing to include dual spec, you are potentially removing something from my game: respec deterrance, that I believe is valuable to my TBC experience (and the fact that this is identical to original TBC is just the start).
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Hey, guess what, if you don’t like TBC 2.0 and the changes maybe this isn’t the game for you.
Funny how with all the changes implemented so far somehow “dual spec” is what will ruin it.
You’re a joke.