If you wanted dual spec you would play retail
While I sit on your side of the fence I don’t really agree with this statement.
Dual spec has been around long before retail and retail is quite different from the earlier versions of wow in more ways than just talents.
I do think you’re intuition is right that the culture is a byproduct of retail: the forum culture of petitioning for buffs and feature changes with the entitled belief that simply wanting them is enough to justify implementing them.
But there are plenty of people who liked WoTLK and don’t like retail who probably can’t see why anyone would oppose adding a dual spec.
The issue to me is - TBC is a game designed differently to those. Implementing gameplay changes needs to be done with caution. Simply transplanting features from another version of the game into this one is no guarantee of success.
I do agree with the sentiment though, that if someone wants to make TBC more like retail or WoTLK they should either play retail or wait for Wrath.
Improvements to TBC should enhance TBC and conform to the design imperatives and feel of TBC. That won’t be achieved by transplanting one system from another version, as is, into this game. Enhancements should feel like TBC and not make TBC feel like an extended WoTLK prepatch.
I absolutely agree I don’t see any good reason why Dual spec can’t be implemented.
And honestly the very little bad would do if any would affect such a little amount of the player base it wouldn’t even be funny.
And the good it would do Would be overwhelmingly positive.
So I say #Dual speck
I’ve actually shifted from No Changes to “This would help”, since this debate has raged on.
Not only would it help tank shortages (some, but won’t solve it), but it would also help Healers make the most of their characters. I’d forgotten how useless healer spec/gear was back in TBC when it came to DPS.
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Would not the less impactful change of lower respec costs achieve the same end?
You are correct it would help the tank shortage but it’s not going to solve it but it will certainly help it will certainly help and speaking from somebody.
That does have some healer friends I’m absolutely positive because they told me as such they would be Is very happy for dual spec
Retail doesn’t have dual spec.
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Add dual spec usable only in cities with a 2hr CD so people don’t swap specs like crazy in raids.
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Retail does have dual spec since you want to be so litteral.
Demon hunters have dual spec.
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The only reason why demon hunters have dual respect is because they only have 2 specs
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Just make it so people can’t swap in raids and you’re fine
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I honestly don’t think that that would motivate people to actually flip back and forth any more. It would help PVP’ers, but meh, I’m not a PVPer so it doesn’t really influence me.
Yet it exists in retail.
Every class has “dual spec” it’s just tri spec or quad spec for most.
This is not enough of a deterrent just having to go back to the trainer. Imo dual-spec is fine as long as you are locked to a spec within a raid lockout. Once you down a boss you can’t change to your 2nd spec in that raid. Only way to go around that would be respeccing the locked spec for 50g (like we have now)
I personally play a hybrid build that the main draw is I can do competent healing and dps on one spec just from changing gear sets. Having the ability to swap specs for free essentially invalidates my specs value as I would be asked to respec to a full healing and full dps build.
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Don’t let self evident facts get in the way of a good petition.
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I’m relatively comfortable with this. I still don’t think it’s necessary, but it would be a relatively benign change.
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i dunno, if you have a situation like a tank that tanks on the Maulgar fight, then quickly runs out and respecs to heals/dps. Maybe the 2 hr CD is too much, but being in cities or an inn should be required, or else dumb meta shenanigans will for sure happen with dual spec. Maybe just have respec blocked inside raids and has a 10 min waiting period after leaving a raid to respec. Some restriction to keep the meta less obnoxious.
that’s just an example, not that that’s an actual smart strat.
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I haven’t ignored this point at all, i’ve asked you to explain how the differences between TBC and Wrath would cause the implementation of dual spec to cause issues.
You’re just avoiding answering that question over and over again.
It’s laughable how much effort you’re putting into avoiding the question when I’ve addressed every single thing you’ve said.
Now you might not like the answers but I’ve answered you every single time.
You just slink of like a coward doing every thing you can to possibly avoid admitting that:
- You don’t have any f’ing clue how it would negatively impact the game
- You don’t have a single f’ing shred of evidence that it would negatively impact the game
- You just “feel” like it’s a bad idea and you don’t have a single argument based in reality of HOW it is a bad idea.
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I would love to see an argument for it that follows this same criteria.
Fact is, there isn’t one.
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You know, except all the ones that have been made to which your only reply is “go back to retail”
Just because you don’t have a counter-argument and you’re not capable of understanding nuance doesn’t negate the points people have made.
“LOLNO” is not an argument.
“Go back to retail” is not an argument
“It didn’t exist in original TBC” is not an argument for a TBC version that has already seen significant change that actually impacts gameplay
- It increases player choice. 2 choices is more than 1. 3 choices is even more than 1.
- It provides players opportunities to try new specs they otherwise wouldn’t have bothered with.
- It increases the availability of Tanks and Healers
People keep saying these things; I have yet to see anyone make an argument against these that doesn’t involve suspending reality and taking the argument into the realm of imagination.
“Fact is, there isn’t one” Something like this means you’re either incredibly stupid and don’t even know what the word “argument” means, it could also mean you just scroll by anyone making points and ignore them or it could also mean you aren’t capable of making an argument.
Maybe lay off those magic blunts and let your head clear a bit before you post again.
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