Dual spec has no down sides

[Feywaif-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Frosto-faerlina

I don’t know why.

You do know why. Because your posts are proof of the accuracy of your guild name.

[Kumasama-westfall]

That’s clever! I like it.

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

@Hekket-mankrik

Dual Spec has massive downsides if implemented in a game like TBC which is not designed for it.
In order for it to have no down sides, they’d have to rebalance each class and each boss fight in dungeons in raids.

They didn’t balance WoTLK around Dual Spec, they wouldn’t need to balance TBC Classic around it.

[Kumasama-westfall]

They technically can’t since we’re already released at Patch 2.4.3 and they said the raids were going to be released in an un-nerfed state.

Yet another reason why everyone’s fake fears are unjustified.

[Zipzo-atiesh]

How can you even say this? Dual spec was in the game for a majority of the implemented patch cycles in WOTLK, which means all tuning and changes and balancing would have mostly been done under the assumption that dual spec was in the game, which means of course it was inherently considered when balancing…

[Delimicus-heartseeker]

@Zipzo-atiesh

How can you even say this?

[Zipzo-atiesh]

Hm, fair enough.

Does raise some interesting questions.

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Feywaif-bloodsail-buccaneers

Because your posts are proof of the accuracy of your guild name.

You just continue to double down on it.

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Stop harassing me.

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You have no credible claim whatsoever with regards to refuting any of the statements I have made.

I’m open to discussion, discourse, learning, etc. I am not open to you spewing hate, and/or harassment. I’ve repeatedly asked you to stop, yet you continue.

[Megarune-frostwolf]

I 90% agree with you don’t mistake me I’m all for it I say # Dual speck.

However I’m not going to say that there’s no downside is downside I would say the downsides are so menac fuel they don’t matter.

It’s like if we literally look at the absolute absolute worst thing that could absolutely happen.

Is your hardcore gilds require 2 different types of PVE specs for certain fights and they can kill it a little bit faster.

Because let’s be honest if you’re a tried hard Guild you’re not having problems with bosses and TB C maybe a couple wipes but yeah.

I give it less than 24 hours before SSC is sesame and Tempest keep have you have a server 1st clear.

But that would be the absolute worst thing that could actually happen As far as the economy argument It’s not going to affect anything it would matter for.

Is if someone can afford to manipulate the market a 50 gold respect isn’t going to do anything to their wallet it’s going to help out your average players what’s going to do.

But that’s it those are the absolute 2 worst things that could happen

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Megarune-frostwolf

Is your hardcore gilds require 2 different types of PVE specs for certain fights and they can kill it a little bit faster

It’s not hardcore guilds. It’s average guilds, and average pugs copying what hardcore raid teams do.

Not that I have a strong opinion against dual spec, other than that it’s not a good solution, and better solutions are easier to implement.

@Megarune-frostwolf

a 50 gold respec

Is 50 gold, which is a lot less than it was during WoW Classic (Vanilla). And still, only 50 gold.

[Megarune-frostwolf]

OK 1st off need I remind you 50 gold per respect That adds up quite a bit for your average players those of us us that don’t live Is eat and breeze tbc.

Two I would say if that actually does happen the top 20% because at this point And even let’s just say let’s just say for the sake of argument.

Is that when you go into ray you’re required to have 2 specific specs for pve Realistically how many bosses is that even going to be for that.

I mean I hate to be the one to break it to you I give the 1st clear of ssc,tpc.

Is in less than 24 hours of the new patch launching maybe 1 or 2 bosses will give them a little bit of trouble maybe.

And as far as your average Guild’s really what’s the worst that happens if this is the worst thing that could possibly happen if that’s the case.

Song guilds have a little bit of an easier time wit’s your time with some bosses I’m sorry but don’t speck or no if you couldn’t kill.

Is ladyvash without dual Speck You’re not killing her with.

Most likely So honestly it’s not really that big of a deal.

And as far as the His raids not being designed around Dual spack.

You know what they also weren’t designed around, Is everybody knowing the ideal best.

For every single class Is everybody knowing that warlocks or amazing and hunters are amazing.

Is the way paladin tanks scale better with gear and Andrew it’s tank’s scale better with gear none of that was the case either.

Is your average player using key bindings Someone having more adons.

Then encyclopedia Leather working being completely broken to the point where they had to nerf it.

And if you want to go to the classic argument it wasn’t designed to Brown world buff Seether there’s a ton of stuff the developers did not anticipate that the players found.

So quite frankly that argument doesn’t hold weight.

So I say #DullSpeck.

[Kumasama-westfall]

@Megarune-frostwolf

Dual speck

@Megarune-frostwolf

menac fuel

@Megarune-frostwolf

when you go into ray

@Megarune-frostwolf

SSC is sesame

@Megarune-frostwolf

those of us us that don’t live Is eat and breeze tbc.

@Megarune-frostwolf

I’m sorry but don’t speck

@Megarune-frostwolf

ladyvash without dual Speck

@Megarune-frostwolf

it wasn’t designed to Brown world buff Seether

I have no idea what this guy is trying to say, but I love reading it!

[Megarune-frostwolf]

Just because I’m a bad speller doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m talking about and I don’t have knowledge of the game.

I’ve been playing on and off for 16 years thank you very much I’m dyslexic so I have trouble with spelling

[Dredlight-blackhand]

Well, I’ve read quite a few discussions on it and it seems the only downside I’ve seen is: “it offends the sensitivities of those who just don’t want changes.”

I mean, that is basically the crux of EVERY argument I’ve seen… No for the sake of… No. I don’t wanna etc etc. Seriously.

[Riger-arugal]

@Dredlight-blackhand

it seems the only downside I’ve seen is: “it offends the sensitivities of those who just don’t want changes.”

If after pages of people outlining reasons against it that is all you can see, then you’re either not reading what people have been saying or you’re choosing not to acknowledge it.

On the flip side the only arguments I’ve been reading for the change are:

Arguments given for Dual spec:

1. There have been other unrelated changes and therefore why not?.
2. I want it and I should have it - you don’t have to use it if you don’t want it.
3. TBC was a badly designed game. We need to improve it or people will quit.
4. Everyone wants it in TBC based on biased straw-polls and talking to a couple of my mates.
5. It was good in WoTLK and therefore nothing could possibly go wrong with adding it to TBC.
6. It will increase subs.
7. It will significantly reduce group wait times.
8. There’s no downside or argument against it except #nochanges.

At least some of the arguments against:

1. Dual spec runs against the stated design goals of the original TBC game.
2. Depending on its implementation it could adversely impact game balance.
3. It will water down the impact of choices and sense of character specialisation.
4. it removes a much needed time sink from a game that already lacks content by todays standards.
5. It’s a popular drawcard feature that will generate more interest in WoTLK classic when it’s time to rerelease it - better to wait than to introduce it early and cause unnecessary controversy for very little gain.
6. It won’t increase subs if implemented ahead of time.
7. It won’t significantly impact group queue times.
8. Because it won’t achieve it’s goals more changes will likely get demanded to compensate.

[Isz-mankrik]

@Dredlight-blackhand

I’ve read quite a few discussions on it and it seems the only downside I’ve seen is: “it offends the sensitivities of those who just don’t want changes.”

Dual spec gets added.
People start need rolling on everything because dual spec.
We need personal loot!
We need gear that changes stats based on spec!
Still hasn’t fixed the tank shortage.
We need cross realm dungeons!
People start abandoning groups that don’t have the comp they want.
We need deserter debuff! And vote to kick!
Still hasn’t fixed the tank shortage.
What it has done is screwed up the game community.
Just merge TBC into retail already.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

People make ridiculous fear mongering slippery slope arguments
The sun explodes

[Zipzo-atiesh]

@Dredlight-blackhand

Well, I’ve read quite a few discussions on it and it seems the only downside I’ve seen is: “it offends the sensitivities of those who just don’t want changes.”

I mean, that is basically the crux of EVERY argument I’ve seen… No for the sake of… No. I don’t wanna etc etc. Seriously.

Found the bold-faced lie…if that’s truly your summary of it.

[Kumasama-westfall]

People around the world started getting viral illnesses when WoW Classic was released!

Clearly WoW Classic is the cause of this!

[Kumasama-westfall]

@Zipzo-atiesh

Found the bold-faced lie

Zipzo has been caught lying several times with regard to a lot of information around this topic. In particular, he selectively quotes Ghostcrawler’s tweets, cherry picking information out of context that agrees with his sentiments.

He was called out for this in another thread. Just FYI if you choose to engage with him in further conversation.