Dual spec has no down sides

You have no reasons.

Yes it is true.

When I pointed it out.

Where you lied about Dual Spec in relation to subscription trends.

It’s fine. Anyone who really thinks they’re being harassed would just report it and move on. He’s doing this because he’s been caught and he doesn’t like it.

That is a lie.

I didn’t lie. I posted data we have available. You made a false claim about my intention. You proceeded to call me a liar.

Whatever issues you have, you certainly have not shown that anything I’ve posted was dishonest.

I’m doing it because calling someone dishonest or a liar when they have clearly shown documented data, and links to it, while claiming they are saying something different from what they have stated is well…

What is it? Unacceptable.

:yawning_face:

You didn’t, and you cannot, because it is simply not the case.

You posted data that directly contradicted your claim and then said the opposite was true.

That’s the definition of lying.

No idea why you’d post a graph showing a significcant upward trend during WotLK expansion when Dual Spec was released and then make a claim that somehow there was a downward trend after Dual Spec.

You were blatantly lying and your own “proof” dismantles it.

No you’re doing it because you’re going fishing. You really have no interest in this topic at all. You just want to play pretend like you’re invested. Like so many others who just post on throwaway alts.

I have you know this throwaway alt has sentimental value to me and I’ve kept it since the start!

Hey, do what you want. Just don’t expect me to take y’all seriously when you post about subject-matters that you’re not actively engaged in.

Frosto’s post history just tells me he enjoys the appearance of engaging in a subject-matter without actually understanding it.

Woah, you should take Frosto to a hospital after a burn like that.

I mean, I’ve responded to several of his topics he’s made on various subjects and he never replies to me in any significant way. This just tells me he makes the topics to give the appearance of engaging a topic but he doesn’t really think about what other people say.

It’s that post-grad deer-in-the-headlights kind of thing where one’s head has been filled with a bunch of information without regard to what one must do with it once it’s all there.

There’s no need to put words in my mouth, nor make statements claiming I stated something different from what I did.

Dual spec is not TBC! If you want to DPS/heal or tank you roll another toon, thats the way it was done back then. Classic is classic because of the rough edges, things aren’t always super easy, if you want that, go play on retail or a private server.

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Wait, do you believe duel spec was a factor in the decline of wow and it’s sub loss?

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I don’t know.

I believe that that is a very complicated topic and there are many factors that play a role.

It could be that no matter what, that was just when WoW subs were going to plateau.

In any case, I don’t know, but at the same time, there doesn’t seem to be any clear indication that its effects were positive.

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You are 100% right it would be a huge topic to delve into.

When I first asked the questing I didn’t entirely think it through, thinking over it there are so many factors that caused the decline, I think importantly people got older and changed and let’s be honest wc3 link to story such as tbc/wotlk was huge.

Cata just didn’t have that same feeling.

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Other than that WoW’s pop did peak after dual spec was added.

And we can also point to certain catastrophy events unrelated to dual spec, like cata heroics and trying to kill flying.

Yes, that does seem to be the case, though there is a decrease in trajectory, and a plateau almost directly following, with a spike just before the launch of Cata, and then a pretty steady decline.

Absolutely. There are so many things that changed! It would be difficult, and I suspect very unlikely to be able to point at any single feature, event, change, internal or external to WoW, that directly caused a plateau and then decline in subs.

You reposting a graph that shows a clear upward trend during WotLK doesn’t prove anything other than there was a clear upward trend during WotLK.

Sorry, but I’ve already demonstrated the correlation/causation fallacy in the same thread.

You’re better off saying WoW Classic is responsible for people getting sick in 2020 simply because WoW Classic was being played at the same time people got sick.

And your adherence to some perception of harassment is just part and parcel for your dishonesty.