Dual spec at phase 2

[Baddtank-lone-wolf]

Dual spec is wrath or Retail. You know where to go.

[Thalidomide-living-flame]

please this please

[Lazmanx-whitemane]

@Rotationn-illidan

Man, that hit close to home for you huh lol

Not really

When the opposition proposes an ad hominem fallacy it 9 times out of 10 means they lost the argument for lack of supporting evidence which you never provided.

@Rotationn-illidan

Because they are mostly bad players who rely on time being more important then skill. The more they can gate keep the game the better change they can get in groups, or the better chance they can do crappy things and get away with it.

Here is another ad hominem.

You can’t win with the facts so you attack people personally for lack of actual supporting evidence

You lost bro

Not only do I know you actually aren’t good at the gem but I invite you to either send the war game with your BG team, or duel me while I stream either.

The losing party results in recorded account deletion.

I am so confident I will beat you in any of these matters that I am willing to risk my entire account without even knowing your class because I am so confident I will win.

Do not respond to me unless you either accept the challenge and agree to recorded deletion or just simply apologize for your ad hominem as I know you are not good at the game

If you accept then we can work on exchanging discord information/time/format and when it will be streamed

If you’re gonna dodge then step aside like the F tier noob I know you are. Surely, if you think I’m so bad at the game then these stakes won’t bother you.

[Mennarch-lone-wolf]

As a rogue I want to try tanking, dpsing, pvping as daggers, pvping as slow weapons and different builds of said pve/pvp specs. That’s a lot of gold to respec to all those, even capped at 1g a respec.

[Impious-lone-wolf]

@Pulemy-windseeker

Am I alone in hating duel specing? When I make a character in an rpg I try to make it a sort of expression of myself. When people are bouncing between builds willy nilly it kind of sullies the bond between player and their build.

Of course I want people to be able to swap builds, I don’t want noob traps. But it should cost gold, and you should have to go speak to a trainer.

FF14 has it so any character can be all jobs (classes), swap between them whenever, and level them all separately. I hate it.

It’s most important for tanks and healers, really. Questing as a Holy Priest is pretty awful, but your guild needs you to remain a Holy Priest. Allowing dual spec so a Priest can adequately solo quest / level is an incredible QoL improvement. Making it cost gold to swap back and forth is just punishing people for wanting to play support roles, which the game desperately needs.

[Rotationn-illidan]

holy triggered bat man lol. Bad players like i said. Scrubs always need time>skill. It’s why you guys fight so hard against QoL changes like dual spec when it does nothing but help the game. Btw you gonna ask for my IO or gearscore next LOL, hilarious!

[Tinkergun-darkspear]

Lol cringe, get some air outside it’s free

[Paradosi-wild-growth]

Exactly, but it’s not that big of a deal at 25, but once we have access to the end of the tree talent, it will matter a lot more.

[Irrick-whitemane]

@Sthis-shandris

Why hate optional things?

If you think dual spec would be optional you do not understand fundamentally what optional means lol.

@Hobbes-wild-growth

Anyone that plays pvp or swaps roles to help friends understands why dual spec is important.

I pvp and pve i dont think its improtant, before doing either of those i must go to a main city and just respect there anyway

@Susurrus-wild-growth

The whole “commitment to a role” bit is silly when we have respec

this argument just made no sense whatsoever.
The whole class thign is a bit silly because i just can create any of them, therefore i should have all classes abilities.
Legit same rationality.

@Rotationn-illidan

Its nothing but a positive

Its convenient, this doest mean it is poisitive.

@Rotationn-illidan

Ah yes, the slippery slope of things that will never happen

You dont play classic pvp very much if you think people are not gonna use rocket helms, faps, lips and etc for pvp.

@Chimmee-tichondrius

And you’ll be OOM

EM costs no mana and he could just use a pot/demonic rune or have a small sip lol

@Kyjin-emerald-dream

We should already have Dual spec

I mean its jsut as silly stating why we cant have 100x spec instead of dual.
lol

@Lazmanx-whitemane

Yeah let them give us dual spec. Tank shamans will also have ele mastery at 40 with a helm or some magic dust in their bag!

Its quite funny how much clueless these people are with classic consumables, durations and cds lol.
Even a single bfd pug is demanding a shadow pot imagine all the atrocities in classic backbone with dual spec lol.

If a trainer could sawm your spec that would be fine imo but these people want to swamp it on a whim whitout releasinig what they ar eunleashing. Imagine getting a sheep/fear and watch dude becomes a spec entirely counter to yours in 5 secs after you both meet lmao.

I think runes already doo too much in this regard i pvp as elemental, with my enhancement talents and ocassionaly change clothes to heal/recover mana.
Thats already strogn enough but at least it forces you to swamp gear, dual spec has literal no downside and can be way worse.

@Seohyun-benediction

No you explained how it ruins it for you

If all chars can at a whim become completely viable to anything then he is right, every time you are not going optimal you are just playing against you. With trainers you cant always be optimal but can be viable, which is his point, if talents can be swamped in 10 secs then you have to be optimal at all circumstance and therefore all characters will play the same.
Rn my man can pvp tank with ret runes in his paladin. hats not optimal but its doable and viable. Runes dont destroy his character no more than enchants do.

Dual spec would still need to walk to a trainer to work whitin classic structure.

@Raijela-khazgoroth

a person can have multiple specs in real life

Sure buddy you totally gonna be into a surgery with a plumber which happens to be part time surgeon.
Your take took delusional to a whole new level.

[Raijela-khazgoroth (Raijela)]

Bit of a strawman. Rare individuals can be multitalented, some doctors hold multiple specializations… a wow character is technically a champion, a rare individual in terms of game canon. Have more than one spec is fine from my perspective. I don’t mind paying 1g to respec though.

[Sthis-shandris]

@Irrick-whitemane

If you think dual spec would be optional you do not understand fundamentally what optional means lol.

op·tion·al
/ˈäpSHən(ə)l,ˈäpSHn(ə)l/
adjective
available to be chosen but not obligatory.

If duel spec is available, you aren’t forced to do it. It is optional.

[Nespheok-area-52]

yessss… please bring dual spec into phase 2. Even if you have to be in a rested area to swap it’ll be good.

[Lazmanx-whitemane]

@Rotationn-illidan

holy triggered bat man lol. Bad players like i said. Scrubs always need time>skill. It’s why you guys fight so hard against QoL changes like dual spec when it does nothing but help the game. Btw you gonna ask for my IO or gearscore next LOL, hilarious!

I’m not fighting against it.

All I have done in this thread is explain why both sides want what they want.

If they give me dual spec I will abuse it. I don’t care what they do lol

You didn’t even know how that was possible and I had to explain it to you and you still don’t even know lol

Regardless dual spec has nothing to do with skill so I am not sure why you are attempting to correlate the two

[Verela-bloodsail-buccaneers]

how about you have to visit a trainer to swap
oh and you have to pay a small fee of not more than 1g
i think we can swing that

[Verela-bloodsail-buccaneers]

if it becomes so easy to swap your talents to be optimal in any given situation, then doing so becomes obligatory, yes this is an MMO, not a single player game.

[Tirel-crusader-strike]

Blizzard, please be the dad these whiny kids never had and just say no. They don’t even know they need it.

[Sthis-shandris]

@Verela-bloodsail-buccaneers

if it becomes so easy to swap your talents to be optimal in any given situation

This is a player made problem. If you are playing with a group that demands this, then you have the OPTION of playing with someone else.

This is like saying running with a guild is mandatory, or running a premade is mandatory in PvP.

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

lol. everything in the game is optional. what kind of logic is this? no one is forcing you to grind. no one if forcing you to get all the runes.

[Sthis-shandris]

I’m not sure I understand the point of your post. Are you arguing that since everything is optional, we should have dual spec? Or since everything is optional we shouldn’t have dual spec?

[Verela-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Sthis-shandris

This is a player made problem

only player made problem i see here is you thinking you need dual spec