There have been metas long before when twitch was still called justintv. No one is going to a streamer for builds.
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it took us way to long to get to the first boss, and it was cause they were playing deep sub, and dealing no damage.
thats the reason you concluded. we have no idea what the truth is. maybe they were backing off cause you sucked at tanking. many variables can be considered in a nuanced look at things
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i had to beg them to start kicking the casters, the route to the first boss was insufferable.
Honestly how the game has been played in these expansions after Cata does not matter at all. Itās not even an mmorpg anymore, a shell of its former self of people with sunken cost fallacy. Retail players are playing a completely different game being carried by mtx. That playerbaseās opinions really do not matter when it comes to any variation of classic, just the players who enjoy classic. So if you enjoy classic and played retail, think about why you enjoy classic and what systems retail implemented made it worse and change from classic and which ones would still work fine in classic and not make it worse, or even better think of something brand new instead of copy pasting retail ideas.
A person having multiple specs in real life is not the same thing at all. Instead it would be asking like why canāt my human mage also be a warrior? Why canāt I level up weapon skills and learn warrior abilities and progress infinitely and become great at everything. Thatās just now how WoW is designed, thatās more like Runescape.
Skill is not the reason people like classic wow or mmorpgās. Thatās the biggest indicator you are just looking at this through the lens of why isnāt this mmorpg like retail? Yes skill should be part of the game, but itās not the ultimate goal. The reason retail players even come here in the first player is because they lack the skill to compete at the highest stratification of difficulty in retail. Not everyone even wants that at all. We donāt want a highly challenging game, thatās not why most classic players like mmos. Raiding and PvE should not be the ultimate purpose and goal of WoW and itās especially not in classic WoW. Thatās actually one of the reasons of the downfall of retail WoW. Iād rather them see dump all their time into making player housing. Raiding is just a means to an end of character progression for gear. They are just mini games in the grand scheme of things.
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Downfall of retail wow lol. This is why I love this trainwreck that is the classic forums. Gems like this.
You have to be very ignorant of the fact of the downward trend retail has been taking for years now. Hopefully it improves in this saga because it seems like a new start, or maybe itās leading to a new one.
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Retail had a downward trend, it had nothing to do with what you said lol. Its also only gotten better since 9.2. Honestly what you typed is one of the more insane things I have ever seen on here, thats how far off base you are.
If you donāt agree, explain, why? What is the reason of retail wow since cata, mop, wod, legion, bfa shadowlands.
All expansions have ups and downs. Sub loss was also do to a lot of things outside the game.
The biggest issue that came to head in SL though was borrowed power, locking and time gating and non mythic content becoming too hard.
But your take that the majority of the games life span does not matter and that āRaiding and PvE should not be the ultimate purposeā is insanity. That what wow is and has been since people figured the game out in vanilla. Itās one of the most laughable things I have ever read when it comes to wow.
Yes it has been the thing. Thatās the mistake. Itās a mistake that they made it that way. Classic and vanilla wow isnāt as focused on that. Itās why hardcore has any success. Something like delves and the warbands are something that shows theyāre looking at other aspects of the game.
Borrowed power is a problem, but itās not why they lost so many players. Legion had it and was much more well received despite some of the early grindy aspect. Sub loss being outside of the game? Maybe if the game is taking up too much time in peopleās lives sure or they found a new game they wanted to play or mmorpg thatās better, which is still an indication of the game having problems. People stop playing the game because the game wasnāt fun for them anymore, theyāre friends stopped playing or some other thing that was a direct choice of that player and their interaction/opinion with the game. Itās not something mystical. Its a downward trend because of the quality of the game.
Yeah thereās always ups and downs usually at the beginning, the content lulls, and when the patch just isnāt enjoyable for whatever reason, yet overall there was a downward trend and itās probably not as popular as it used to be. Classic has more popularity than retail.
HC is a niche game. Its really not that popular and was carried by people reacting to deaths. We saw how classic and SoD are playing out and destroys whatever your nonsense is about raiding and PvP. That is the endgame people want. |
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Classic is also not more popular then retail lol. Why do you guys always lie about this? You can see the amount of servers retail has. I mean right now Wrath, era and HC are ghost towns while people try the new things. Retail still actually has things going on.
you seem like the angriest kid. I hope you find resolution in whatever is bothering you so much
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You actually think the number of servers matters? If they coalesced all the servers, killed off all those dead ones since 2004 and only had lively servers with layers like classic it would be around the same number of servers per region probably. 240 retail servers for NA, only a handful are the proper server choices if you want a lively server, the rest are dead and covered up by cross realm tech. You very much seem like a fan of retail, why donāt you play that instead of classic? It seems to have everything you want. Itās even more popular according to you. Looking at wrath, thereās still people on benediction and those other few mega servers. Itās definitely dipped because SoD is the thing and HC is in the same boat. Those players are here. Retail players really arenāt. HC is quite niche but it excels on showing the strengths of classic, such a thing could never exist in retail. Looking at hardcore classic wow subreddits still shows people preferring HC over SoD for whatever reasons, most people arenāt there to raid or pvp at all. Itās still popular with players and has its own strengths. Iām saying popular as in content on youtube and twitch, retail is not as popular, engagement with yes HC clips, but also guides and those content creators playing those games.
They should just make respecs free tbh
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I think we should get 153 talents so we can just go 51/51/51. that way no one ever has a chance of missing out on anything!
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they already reduced the cost by literally 98% 
I think the cost to respec should be canned given so many hot fixes and changes that occur and change metas. We have a new gold sink with waylaid supplies. Letās can respec costs
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Dual spec would be nice to have
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Iād like that!