Dual spec at phase 2

yeah, because retail took dual spec to its logical conclusion and now you can just move points around whenever you want :expressionless:

Yes you did lol. Your entire argument hinges on a single item.

What if I magic dust someone and swap specs? What if I magic dust someone and heal back to 100%? What if I magic dust someone and run away? What if a magic dust someone and go to their house and I plug their router?

We canā€™t have dual spec because this guy may lose in a 1v1, letā€™s pack it up guys.

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sounds like you lack confidence in your ability to make tough choices so instead of facing that you just want everything whenever you desire it. it ok to be that way but just admit thats where your motivation for dual spec comes from.

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I want to heal in dungeons but not be held back during world content. I was pretty clear on that lol.

Sounds to me like you guys should have never left era.

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key word there is want
i want
i want
i want

Yeah I want it. You want to not have dual spec. We both want different things. You do know how asking for things works donā€™t you?

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An item and a consumable every class can use.

Magic dust has no cooldown and is 100% spammable and can be farmed by level 18 mobs. It is a 30 second sleep. More than enough time to drop combat after 5-6 seconds and swap specs

Mages and rogues donā€™t even need it. They can sap or sheep

Itā€™s not just dust. ITā€™s engineering helms too.

This is not an argument you can win and I must remind you I am neutral leaning and do not care if they do or do not add it.

I am just stating I will abuse it every chance I need to

It has a 1 minute cooldown and a drop rate of 5%. Get lost kid.

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I have 62 magic dusts on me.

I farm them every server for pvp purposes.

I only need to use 1 to abuse DS.

I will also have both engi helms

You will never win this argument no matter how you try

It makes you seethe knowing I will abuse DS against every player I feel the need

The only thing you have is a pocket full of lies and excuses.

If this is as bad as you say it is, then magic dust needs to be removed.

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Magic dust has no need to be removed.

Itā€™s just a fun item in the game to use.

I donā€™t know why you would assume Iā€™m lying other than the fact youā€™re pissed Iā€™m going to abuse DS and you canā€™t counter the argument. Care to elaborate on ā€œwhat excuseā€ I made?

We donā€™t need to remove dust because you are too lazy to respec

u know changing specs , doesnt mean u change gears too , that takes time , plus u are a 0 resources

but blizz can only alow to change specs while rested or 1 min after dropping combat

In my opinion, respec costs should be equal to the player characterā€™s level in silver. That way you can preserve the element of choice while capping the cost to a reasonable level for beginners and experienced players alike.

I would very much welcome dual spec, so I hope it happens. Dual spec doesnā€™t change how the classes work, and still has an element of choice and consequence. Some people will spec for different scenarios such as pve (tank, dps, heal, aoe, etc.) or pvp (mobility, survivability, damage, cc, etc.).

There are a lot of choices to make, and some choices are underutilized with the system as currently implemented. This is why I support the idea of dual spec and capping respec cost at one silver per level.

While this is true in a sense it doesnā€™t work especially at level 25. I need completely different talents to do a dungeon then when doing BGs. So after a BG I need to respec to Tank a dungeon. Then I respec to do BGs again. Then itā€™s Raid time I need to respec again. Most of your time shouldnā€™t be respecing. Not to mention the gold cost to respec several times a day.

You donā€™t need to change gear. But you can if you want to.

The key focal point is the 31 point talents.

I will be a full resto and full elemental shaman and I donā€™t need to change gear for that

I promise itā€™s an argument that cannot be won.

Iā€™m not even anti DS. I want it in so I can abuse it and pwn noobs with it and make them mad.

I canā€™t do that if they donā€™t add DS

Iā€™ve just been tanking BFD as ele spec.

I donā€™t even need to respec at all. Just change my runes

Runes are more valuable than talent points right now.

It may even be that way at 40 save a few exceptions

This is temporary. At later levels you will need to be in enhancement.

Thatā€™s such a niche example though.

Itā€™s only for Duels and 1v1 in PVP (and how often is that the case?). Iā€™d also be worried that Iā€™d actually drop combat to be able to swap since Blizz isnā€™t great with that mechanic.

And if you fail to kill them after swapping now your OOM. Seems risky and a lot of trouble with the only benefit is it may cause someone to rage for a few minutes.

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Nah.

You can tank level 60 dungeons as ele.

I used to do it on hardcore because of a lack of tanks.

The only thing that matters realy is threat output. Which all spec shamans are good at with rockbiter earthshock.

What makes them absurd tanks are their 3 tanking runes.

It makes it so the talent points are less valuable.

Until content reaches levels like bwl/aq/naxx I will not need to.

The runes are busted and I have been a shaman main since nost

You have 2 shocks off the shared gcd, molten blast for threat, earth shock and rockbiter are absurdly strong for tanking. You could do it as resto spec if I wanted

You lose out on flurry but it doesnā€™t matter until you are in tuned level 60 raids and it matters more

Iā€™m willing to bet gnomer will be a faceroll loot piƱata too

counter argument

respec cost should have infinite exponential scaling. the cost diminishes the longer you dont respec.

if you wanna respec constantly and be optimal for everything it might cost you 10k gold one day if abused overly.

reroll your character then since you never settled on an identity. This is a ROLE playing game