Like 10m players are being bribed by having an easier version of the raid?
Imagine if blizz gatekept the legendary and made it only obtainable in 25man Heroic!
That’s how it should be tbh.
These 10m meme players are lucky they are even able to get the staff.
What people don’t understand is the staff can have different people on each stage. EX for 25m you finsh the first stage in 2 weeks, now you have one on 2nd stage and 1 on first stage. Then again for the 3rd stage, 1 on 3rd, 1 on 2nd, 1 on 1st. This means you effectively finsh a staff every 2 weeks past the first 6 weeks.
For 10m, its 4 weeks per stage, so 12 weeks for 1st staff and then 4 weeks for everyone after.
So with the phase being 4 months, 16 weeks. 25 man will have 6 staffs while 10m will have 2 staffs. so for 25 man will have 3 times the staffs.
This also doesn’t account for the fact that 25 man will have more overall gear in offpieces and tier as well.
Theres just no reason to do 10 mans if you can avoid them.
I mean 10m offers less of a challenge so you can full clear a lot easier than 25m
I think 10 man and 25 man are about the same level of difficulty with 25 having access to alot more cooldowns making it more flexible.
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Winner winner chicken dinner.
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You don’t need any cool downs in 10m.
Almost like players have the same health as 25m players but boss mechanics hit for 20% less…
When you swap it to 10m you’re already getting the biggest damage reduction CD in the game
you realize you have 2 healers instead of 5 in 10 man right, but the same amount of tanks.
As a healer I can say that 10 man healing is a lot more effort than 25 man.
DPS players can afk both so I understand why you would think its the same.
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You do realize you have 2 healers but 2.5 times less people to heal right?
There is no DPS checks in 10m, infact the only DPS check is to not phase certain bosses to fast so you don’t line up certain mechanics.
Yorie literally playing the nerfed version of 10m, if this was how actual 10m was at launch then it would’ve been harder but it isn’t, this is the version that had sweeping nerfs to 10m specifically.
It’s also going to continue into firelands, 10m is a joke on PTR compared to 25m.
You’re literally getting hit for 20% less damage in t11 but have the same health.
You’re actually making my case for me too.
2 healers for 10m and 5 for 25m, so 1 healer per group.
Do you not see the difference?? Your 10m groups are taking 20% LESS DAMAGE from raid mechanics vs 25m, which raid healers need to heal for more?
You do realize with 25 you get substantially more cooldowns in terms of defensives and mana regen reducing how much healing you actually have to do by a significant margin.
In 10 man at best you have a priest mana hymn and 2-3 defensives compared to a full 10+ of a 25 man raid.
healing isnt linear with 1 to 5 my lad, perhaps try playing a non dps firstly
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Well yeah no duh.
What’s always been weird is the number of tanks never scaled up. And 25 man usually has it easier since they can add a third tank with less impact.
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I mean I used to main healer…
I mean you can try to deflect all you want tho, the facts are the facts, 10m is nerfed and is a meme.
You need to add a 3rd tank sometimes…I doubt your guild if you went 25 would 1 tank all the adds on Nef.
You know the thing that wipes you on Nef, the adds?? Where 25m has way more…
I feel like your really underestimating the effects of how many more cooldowns you get and how much effect more healers adds to healing. It really doesn’t matter if its 20% less dmg if its also more than 20% less defensives and mana regen cds.
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And 25 man gets to add a third tank for adds 
Hes also ignoring how 25 man also gives more loot and a wide drop chance of every piece of loot. Some 10 mans get stuck with the same pieces multiple weeks in a row, having never seen some pieces.
25man raids also have, on average, three times as many casters in their group—OMG! That’s not fair at all!
you also realize that there are 25 people in the raid and not 10 right?
It’s perplexing why a 25-person raid would receive more loot. Certainly, it can’t be simply because there are 25 individuals in the raid; that would be too logical an explanation. It must be that Blizzard has a preference for 25-player raids over 10-player ones. Yes, that must be the reason behind it.
NOT!!!
You don’t need a 3rd tank lmfao
You NEED a 3rd tank for 25m on nef
You are not tanking twice the adds solo lmao.
Bro the more you reply the worst your replies get, they make 0 sense.
You DONT NEED THE CDS. You’re taking NO DAMAGE.
The things we are using CDs for in 25m are already hitting you for 20% less lmfao.
None of you are making sense.