Serious question: How do I formally complain about the group loot feature that was brough back with Dragon flight? I honestly think this change alone is going to make me stop playing this game before we even get into Dragon Flight.
The primary issue I have with it is not the group rolling, or the random, on top of random, chance to get your loot, or the negative experience you have seeing the loot you want go to someone else which happens 10x more than then the positive experience when you actually get it. No, all of these are freaking terrible and bad gameplay mechanics BUT the number one issue I have with this system is that players with items at a higher ilevel then what dropped can NEED ROLL⌠WHY?!
I just lost a need roll to a player who had a legendary back item at ilevel 290 and they need rolled a back that was 260. This is insanity and poor game design. I keep hearing transmog is why they let the need roll through but that seems like a poor answer. No one is really hunting for transmogs from LFR, lets be honest. Secondly if they are at an average 290 ilevel then they are probably running higher level raids constantly and really getting better looking transmogs anyway.
IF transmogs are the issue then the solution should be that if an item drops in group look, the transmog unlocks for everyone that is eligible BUT only those that are actually improving player power can NEED roll.
PLEASE FIX THIS, Its the worst experience I have had in a WoW in a long time (player since launch) which tells you that I have put up with a lot of crap already and this beats it all.
They know players are upset. They knew players were going to be upset, and they implemented it anyway. They knew group loot in LFR failed in the past.
Actually a lot of people are there just for the transmog.
They could solve this, but they must be enjoying the results a lot, since they have done nothing. I think they see player friction as free content that makes you play much longer to get gear and keeps people from asking what the heck is going on at Blizzard Central.
SL Legendaries are kind of treated differently anyway. I have won an item I did not need but was unable to trade it because I did not have a NON-legendary equipped or in my bags that was same/higher item level as the piece I just got from personal loot.
Blizzard has said HERE that you canât roll need on an âexact pieceâ you already have. However they said nothing about a non-exact piece thatâs lower item level than what you have equipped or in bags (the note below seems to only apply to equipped items).
Unless it is a tier token of the same type, same slot, same ilvl⌠then they can roll need (main spec) all they want, including winning multiple from the same boss.
The primary reason to run LFR is transmog or gearing alts
But its as Vortimer stated, and honestly⌠this system is both better and worse in different ways, because it means that one you can get more gear than before, and folks are able to trade gear which wonât happen often but I have traded gear before and had gear traded to me
I think personal loot for LFR wouldâve probably worked better (or at least been percieved as a better choice), but by and large it is what it is and honestly, it isnât a big deal in terms of how loot is distributed in terms of group loot - it effectively functions the same way as it did before with personal loot except you can now get multiple pieces of loot from one boss
Others have already mentioned transmog so I wonât touch on that. Another important factor is that item level is a terrible indicator of power across all specs, and always has been. Different specs value different secondary stats to different degrees. Some specs get similar value from all secondary stats and thus can just pay attention to item level. Other specs get value from two or three secondary stats while the others are nigh useless. Other specs want to stack as much of one secondary as possible. A lower item level piece can result in more performance for most if not all specs.
Additionally, there are items with special effects that are also not measured accurately by item level. My item level 265 Resonant Reservoir trinket could not be upgraded for M+ healing from any trinket even up to item level 304 when S4 came out. The only upgrade I had for that trinket was a higher item level version of it. Even wearing a 304 trinket in your raid, I would get more benefit from that particular trinket at 265.
As a result, the system canât use item level to restrict who can roll need on which items. This could be preventing players from actual upgrades stemming from a poor item evaluation system from Blizzard.
The legendaries are a weird thing in SL. Iâve always had mine on my back but for the longest time I could never trade a back piece even though it was a lower ilvl.
It will pass -GL would incite a behavior that would let players roll need out of spite ( not the same as the system roll need for the player) and players are going to perceive this as a toxic system . This how nbg lost, old ml lost and now part 3 .
Iâm not even sure why Iâm responding. But I can only give my experience: Which has been largely good. Weâve seen loot off of bosses that literally never dropped during prog originally due to how statistically messed up personal loot is. Would it be nice to have a tmog roll button? Yes. Would it be nice to have a DE roll button? Yes.
I personally think that players are over dooming about bad behavior that PL also enabled, just getting their knickers in a twist because they can see it and someone has to press a button vs the system doing it for them. To me there is no difference there. The availability of loot that was otherwise statistically improbable to drop at all is more important to me as it means there is finally a chance to get loot that isnât from the vault as a VDH.
Honestly I think people need to stop, take a breath, and stop trying to to enforce their mental version of âfairâ loot on other people. Because honestly Personal loot was actually incredibly unfair. But none of the people griping seem to actually care that it was statistically FUBAR, which is incredibly unfortunate.
I do think itâs dooming. This exactly loot system works in almost every other MMO on the planet. WoW was the odd exception out.
Doubtful? Sure there will be gripes about individual players being silly. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater isnât good either. The statistical unfairness of Personal loot cannot be understated. It encouraged really bad class stacking behaviors because of how the loot tables were weighted. But doomers donât care about that. They just want to feel that their loot is somehow fair because they didnât see the rolls and the forced need roll.
If blizz goes back to PL they need to make that public. That way people can feel as if people took their loot there too⌠because itâs still all an illusion. But those that are dooming donât care if PL was actually unfair they just want their illusion it seems.
I cannot overstate that weâve literally seen loot that never dropped and was needed now that we have GL that PL just didnât let drop. All because of how the rolls were dependent and badly weighted in PL.
I think it remains to be seen. Thus far Iâve largely only seen it from LFR players that feel that they somehow had loot taken from them that they would never have won in the first place. So generally speaking a false premise and badly informed largely.
This is what people donât seem to understand. It really sucked to be a healer, or especially a tank, and need a specific trinket from a boss that only dropped for your loot spec. We went the entire tier of SoD without my raid group seeing the tank trinket off Guardian on any difficulty, even with people trying to help them get it.
With group loot or PL? Because PL basically did do that. It was horrible. People were forced into loot they didnât want and couldnât trade to those that did. One of the critical advantages of group loot is the ability to pass. But again PL fanatical partisans seem to focus on a few bad actors rather than the overall benefits. Blizz should never force loot on people if it can be avoided.
No they understand, they donât care. Which is worse.
, DF hasnât started yet ,progression hasnât started yet