I think this will be a poorly written line that will simply be forgotten.
Douchebags will exist in every race, that line belonging to khadgar is what sucks about it, Coming from someone like Azshara would fit just right.
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Thanks… I can take it one step further if you like and actually speculate the basis of likely instigated the clash between them in the first place.
If you consider what is being said below there is actually some very significant implications of what is being suggested:
“The physical realm of Azeroth consists of five primary elements: earth, fire, air, water, and spirit”
I guess “decay” is no longer an element. I suppose spirit is also death?
This passage highlights Decay which is the original and true Primary Element of Death as being no longer an element. Which would mean that it has been subjugated, disconnected or blocked in some way from its original basis of connection with the other primary elements and Azeroth. The question is Why?
The Why? might be the easier part to answer as Death being the opposite of Life would be in direct opposition and could break any plans that a certain Life based entity might have planned.
Additionally Decay was a Elemental power that wasn’t easily contained and just like Life (Spirit), Death (Decay) could be extremely volatile and disruptive making it uncontrollable.
So if the forces of Life (Spirit) wanted to take control over the aspect of Life and Death they would have to figure out a way to remove Death (Decay) and replace it with something else in its place.
This is why we have:
Life (Spirit) powering both the Emerald Dream and Shadowlands. Shadowlands is a construct of Life and not Death however, as Death (Decay) is impossible to contain completely as we have seen with the various leaks and incursions we have witnessed.
This transformation and change to the core elemental forces and principals that defined specifically the aspect of symmetry between Life and Death. The removal of Death (Decay) and replacement of it with Life posing as Death (Spirit) broke a key foundation of balance between the Primal Elements and Azeroth.
Now we know that the LOA represented all aspects of the Primal Elemental Forces which included Life (Spirit) but also Death (Decay). This was unlike celestial factions such as Demigods like Cenarius who was solely connected to Life (Spirit) and held no allegiance or connection with Death (Decay) in anyway.
So it was likely relating to changes where Death (Decay) was removed and Life (Spirit) took control that caused the LOA’s interactions and hostility towards the corrupters of the natural order and balance of Azeroth.
This clearly hints and highlights the fact that there was a direct tampering of the true natural order of life and death; by preventing the aspect of true death to interact with Azeroth as it should. Instead it had been replaced by a construct of life that allowed them to warp the fabric of reality on Azeroth for their own agenda. It was this that the LOA fought to undo and return Azeroth to its natural state.
I am sure if you dive deep enough into much of the vague, alluded and subtle details that we get from Bwonsamdi and Mueh’zala it does actually point to this as they most definitely mention on multiple occasions that Shadowlands is not actually a true aspect of what Death is truly or the lines about you do not understand or comprehend what death truly is etc.
Hopefully that helps give you some more fuel to ponder and think about
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Zandalari lore has roots in Azrec myth and in Aztec myth there was a war between the Sun and the Moon. The moon goddess, building an army of stars out of dead warriors from the battlefield, aka Night Warrior lore, is similar to Aztec myth and could explain the differences between the Sun worshipping Zandalari and the Moon worshipping Kaldorei.
But at this point, without lore to back it up it’s just speculation.
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When do we figure BFA and the zandalari lore expansion was being plotted out? Six to eight years ago?
IIRC that’s about the time when the documentary shows/channels were going nuts on South America’s ancient cultures and especially the Aztec… I’m sure the Blizzard Devs totally don’t watch history documentaries… even if they are about as shallow as WoW lore…
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You make it sound the night elves are not based on Drows/Dark elves.
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What saddens me the most, is that the rest of book/codex is actually pretty good. Lots of information in it. The Khadgar line seems to be a complete anomaly out of the entire book, which suggests, to me anyway, that it sounded good to someone who proof read it, but they didn’t quite grasp what the line was actually saying.
It sounds like something Golden would write. That was her one contribution to the collective writing prolly.
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Wouldn’t suprise me one bit actually. She tends to ruin everything she touches.
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It’s wild to see how far you guys will analyze every aspect of fantasy races to find racism in a world that’s been developed by hundreds of different people over 20 years. People can’t even call Murlocs dumb anymore.
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Khadgar was replaced by a Dreadlord.
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If I remember correctly in one of the WotA trilogy, Cenarius is speaking with Jarod Shadowsong and tells him that his father had once studied with him or some kind of implication that Papa Shadowsong may have studied nature/druidic magic. At the moment I’m too tired to skim through the series to find it. Was just a small paragraph or two about it and evidently long before Malfurion had become his student.
Yeah it’s almost as if this game has a 20-year history of measuring “intelligence” by using fundamentally racist tropes and colonialistic/eurocentric criteria (oral tradition VS written tradition, scattered villages VS centralized urban centers, traditional lightweight dwellings VS monumental/permanent architecture, broken grammar vs pristine grammar, etc)
One of the dumbest races in this setting is called freaking Pygmies for crying out loud
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I’m smart and you’re dumb
Despite grummies being evolved troggs I find grummies to be very wise.
When Cousin Slowhands says, “I feel like a blood sausage.” That feels very meta.
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Can’t have a a race with a big nose like money.
Can’t have the African based country have a civil war.
Can’t have a group of an otherwise hostile race be friendly or else it seems like “one of the good ones” type thing.
Can’t have a race with slightly darker skin tones be dumber, even though the Zandalari are probably a similar skin tone. Even though a few of the Night Elf skin tones are pretty dark now.
Can’t have a God edit the appearance of a race they favored or else it makes the god seem like they thought they were dirty uggos before they touched them. The fact that the God favored any race at all is probably racist.
Can’t even think that Jinyu are a least a little more “along” than the Murlocs who 95% of the time are hostile fish people who gurgle at you before they swarm and stab you.
But yeah, I agree with you on the Pygmy thing, I always thought they were weird.
Can’t say that, that implies Troggs are inferior.
Grummies, like night elves and Jinyu also only evolved due the poximity of magic waters. We unfortunately don’t have magic water to inhance intelligence.
Or I’d pour you a glass.
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I’m just advocating for Trogg rights. It’s a shame the world still hates them, so misunderstood.
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I’m truly confused: why do people care about this arbitrarily defined label of “Druid” and who was the first one, when obviously there have been practitioners of Life magic since time immemorial?
Whatever you want to call Malfurion (or anyone else) is irrelevant, because you can bet your posterior that there were “Life-wizards-but-definitely-not-Druids-no-sir” from the moment intelligent life first existed on Azeroth, long before any recorded history. They utilized Life magic and draw upon it and the Garden of Life (and the Dream as a subset of that realm, most likely) in some respect.
What am I missing here? I don’t even know why anyone cares, because clearly this label of Druid isn’t even important, considering the last two paragraphs.
Because people want to validate Tauren as the first druids. Huln Highmountain was the first druid, not Malfurion.
Okay, the Tauren practiced a form of Life magic first, and you could or could not define a Druid as just someone who is able to use Life magic, who cares. The odd thing is that people are fighting over the definition of a word?
Edit: specifically, a word that I’m not really sure has an explicit definition, in the sense that people are nitpicking over, right?