Dragonflight and PVP ilvl

[Iluminatis-nemesis]

@Edge-azralon

Being able to defeat your enemies (be them NPCs or players) in the game is power, and it comes from knowledge of the game, equipment that you use to build your character’s power, and the skill to put those to use. Rewards usually are either vanity (including mounts, achievements, titles, transmogs, bragging rights) and more power though better gear. These have more or less always been the foundations of the game even since release. Now, I’m completely against stuff like Titanforging which makes it so there’s a theoretical unreachable ceiling, but at the point where we are now, both for PVE AND PVP I think Blizzard hit the nail on the head, since everything is very clear and non-RNG (for PVP, I mean). I hadn’t been playing the game for a long while, and when I got into Shadowlands (S3 had just hit) and I started gearing up, I couldn’t believe they got everything so right. Slowly buying honor pieces, slowly leveling them up, then getting my conquest pieces, then every time I hit a new rank I got to upgrade all pieces again, and it requires honor to do so, so I had an extra incentive to do BGs. Just perfect. And now they want to do away with this system to make everyone equals in PVP. I got to 1800 last season, I’m not some 2100+ player complaining that I won’t have stronger gear than everyone else anymore. I am complaining because I loved the mountain being there for me to climb, and every new 200 rating I felt great, while still looking up to people above me and looking forward to push it further and get even stronger. And I could use this equipment set to do my World Quests too! And fight people too! It was perfect: PVE was World, Dungeons and Raids, and PVP was War Mode World, Arenas and BGs. They even solved the PVE trinkets problem with the 2 PVP trinkets set bonus. All thanks to the Shadowlands PVP ilvl ranks system. And all that is gonna be gone in Dragonflight. Threaten to take away gearing from PVE players and watch their comments on it.

you have the right to say and think what you want, but I completely disagree with you.

I arrived at the end of shadowlands, and got penalized in queues for not having two legendaries equipped. in fact i didn’t have any legendaries and i was summarily kicked out of any competitive rbg

-------->>>>> Plenty of other games out there you can just login and PvP no other requirements.

we have kids, we have work, we have school

so please let us do pvp only…

or else we will abandon the game prematurely once again

[Nyxondria-stormrage]

Holy dissertation batman!

Did someone read the OP!?!

[Jackalswind-eonar]

As someone who grew up with reading Nintendo Power and Reader’s Digest, comments like yours offend my sensibilities. And I’m not trying to say I’m the best-read person around either. I didn’t even go to graduate school which would require a CRAPTON of reading.

But I believe the TL;DR of this was that WPvP(WM on or off) was excluded from progression until current. SL was barebones and something of a knee-jerk reaction to the reception of BFA WPvP(and I played that for 35 hours a week doing Assaults round-the-clock and city hunting). To speak for myself, I rolled BGs until I got the gear I needed to compete along with Choreghast for the leggos. I did this for S2 and S3. It wasn’t actually asking a lot for my time as I even managed to score 5k more HKs in cities within some 4 months of paid time in SL. But it was what it was: having to borrow from/invest into instances(even M+ for the weekly quest) to DOMINATE or compete for domination. In SL as Alphon had told me it couldn’t be done in the vacuum of non-instanced content.

The OP is arguing that the DF model should be the reliable standard. I would be inclined to agree, as one who hasn’t even played DF yet. SL has set the bar too damned low that any expansion(except WoD perhaps) had far better WPvP action.

[Vauthrey-moon-guard]

You know the best part of this? Despite the tremendous ease of getting a full set of unrated PvP gear (which, incidentally, will have the same PvP item level as rated gear), the majority of players won’t do it. They’ll either get the WM stuff or settle for aspirant, probably the latter since it’s less effort. Then, once they have settled, they’ll come cry on the forums because they got spanked in WPvP by somebody in full 424.