Draenei Warlocks? You ARE kidding?!

You say this.

And you say this.

If lore didn’t matter to some degree they wouldn’t even bother to change it. This position is hypocritical on its face.

I mean, have at it if you enjoy eating slop, far be it from me to stand in your way, but that’s a garbage argument for anything. It amounts to nothing more than, “I want it, therefor it’s good,” which lacks entirely compared to the argument for better writing in a game with a story.


You mean Eredar. Man’ari would be those still aligned with the remnant forces of the Legion, that refused to repent.
An easy mistake for anyone to make, all the more if their interest in a product is stoked not for anything resembling merit but in its negative effect on those who would rather something better.

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ah yes its slop because it isnt the restricted bad writing that you want for the sake of “reasons” blizzard has already established with bfa and sl that good writing is a skill beyond their grasps the only difference between me and u is im leaning into the bad writing to get something that should already be in the game and your fighting a losing battle.

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No.
It’s slop because it shows literally zero narrative effort in its implementation. There’s zero skill being expressed in a narrative sense, and of this game is narrative a part, ergo it’s low-effort garbage, hence slop.

Now I will pontificate but briefly on your mention of “restricted bad writing”.
Of old, in Vanilla, there was a means whereby Warriors could use Charge in combat through a lengthy macro. This, though fixed, was called by many a clever use of game mechanics.
Clever. Synonymous therewith? Nothing short of creative.
But the game presents restrictions, among them being the inability to charge while in combat! How then, within such stifling confines, can a thing be called creative?
Because, my good man, creativity is not lost in boundaries but better expressed alongside them. Without boundaries, without rules, without some sense of order and correctness of things, then nothing is creative but merely is.

Well at least you admit it.

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i dont got the patience to argue with someone who thinks blizzard can do better writing while also restricting what the player base can do. its a waste of both of our time

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At least we can agree on something.

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Better for us, one less cry baby. BYE

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What I’d like to see is two things:

  1. both Draenei and Lightforged Draenei can be man’ari.
  2. we get FULL man’ari customization
    a) fel green eyes like the demon hunters
    b) fel scars all over our body
    c) demonic tattoos on body like Portal Keeper Hasabel
    d) wings like the man’ari elite NPCs
    e) the dracthyr flying ability for winged man’ari

Here are a few pictures of what I want our characters to look like:

This would make my dream of a playable kil’jaeden man’ari warlock come true.

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Ngl if we got wings I’d make one and rp it, however with just red skin… Eh.

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You can use the wings transmog included in the epic version of DF. They look so good on Eredar:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/vhll37/the_new_dragon_wings_back_xmog_for_dragonflight/

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Nope get used it more is coming

Yeah, I suppose it’s better than nothing… =(

It’s a shame, though, that there are amazing looking ma’nari with wings; I really hope they give those to us.

Except when it doesn’t. Lore has always been inconsistent when it comes to the different cosmic forces mixing. That being said warlocks don’t need to use fel. The only fel spell warlocks have without doing the green fire quest is chaos bolt.

No it’s In game character choice.

Not really.

And yet no one is a slave to their culture. Most people are born into a culture and can leave it if they wish.

Except for the 100 year old Draenei who’s only known Draenor and Azeroth. Not all Draenei are that old.

It’s not like warlocks are friends to the legion anyhow.

Nothing. Progress is inevitable.

Naw.

Humans aren’t the only race with free will. Not a single player race is a hive mind in world of warcraft. Each race has their own culture. No not every member of every race is a slave to that culture because that’s not how free will works.

Sounds like every fantasy and sci-fi setting.

Their culture yeah, thousands of years ago 1/3rd of the Draenei population rejected the legion’s offer. But that doesn’t mean that all modern draenei are physically incapable of being warlocks. Hell in AU draenor we say a group of Draenei defect to the legion and call themselves Sargeri. Which is WAY more extreme than being a warlock which is not a friend of the lgion.

Yes Draenei were considered traitors and hunted. But the legion is gone now as a unified force. Warlocks aren’t pro-legion etc, etc.

Who says the army of light is allowing it? People are allowed to break taboo or even gasp the law.

One or a small group embracing it doesn’t mean everyone embraces it. If a human were to steal IRL does that mean human culture embraces theft?

That’s not the point of Illidan’s arch. He didn’t reject the “gift” because he’d lose access to fel magic. But because it was forced on him to try and change his destiny and erase his past.

Warlocks rarely if ever use fel.

Warlocks aren’t DH.

Your understanding of the lore is a joke.

Religion and understanding of it can be changed. In addition, people can quit their religion.

They’ll work fine.

That’s not gonna happen.

Sounds like a good weapon then.

Calia Menethil says otherwise.

Every non-undead warlock spits on the cultural identity of their race. Since nearly every race is anti-demon. A lore tid-bit is Varian tolerated warlocks for their battle prowers but banned the summoning of demons or other dark magics in public places with a punishment of death. Thus, why the warlock trainers are in the slaughtered lamb or w/e it’s called. It’s a sort of “Don’t ask, don’t tell” sort of deal until it comes to the battlefield. Not sure on Anduin’s stance on the matter but without any additional lore I’m assuming he kept his father’s law regarding the matter.

It sounds like modern blood elves would probably outlaw it considering they outlaw the use of shadow/void magic. So not just spriest but also warlocks.

Warlocks have always been outliers in their culture. It’s nothing new. The only culture that seemingly embraces warlocks is undead.

Source?

What’s weirder the dev’s “forcing” an npcs to do something you believe that wouldn’t or the devs forcing a player to be unable to do what their character would? Cuz imho some weird god-like power taking away free will from individuals is more weird to me and violates the lore.

Correct. Not only does it not cause physical damage but it HEALS the effects of undeath. Very slowly and very painfully.

You said lore friendly race/class combos. Which is all combos.

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Are you updating anything, or copying this comment from way back?

Proof positive you have no idea what you’re talking about.

You clearly don’t understand what Warlocks are, because using Fel magic IS what makes a Warlock. They are inseparable.

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The new warlock quest pretty much explains how its done and how anyone can aquire the power if taught properly.

There’s also a lightforged draenei that takes over the teachings. Its a pretty neat story

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It doesn’t explain anything, other than a Lightforged Draenei open to non-Light related ideas.

Which is still weird for a Lightforged Draenei, specifically, because they very specifically undergo a special ritual to infuse their bodies with the Light. So they’re not just “extra-spiritual Draenei”, they are the ones that FULLY commit to the Light, seemingly binding themselves to the Light itself.

And as we’ve said, the Light and Fel magic simply are not compatible.

It simply doesn’t work.

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It explains everything but you do you I guess. :dracthyr_yay_animated: in the end its just a video game

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I’ve done the quest myself.
It really doesn’t, Ph’el just decided to snort ground Felweed one day and got the idea.
He’s still effectively a Satanic preacher that calls himself a Christian.

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With how often things are ret-conned, don’t act like the lore is great to begin with…lol

Before that.