Draenei DH

So a Tauren becomes a Druid, turns into a cat and prowls around slashing people in the back with their claws is different than a Tauren becoming a rogue and stabbing people in the back?

I just want to make sure I understand this logic.

People are saying to Bliz “you added lore reasons to justify a bunch of new races becoming DKs and we think that’s great, can you also give some love to DHs?” but then people want to tear down their requests. You have been tearing down these really specific race suggestions on the premise of lore.

I’m not focused on the individual merits of one race becoming a DH over another because frankly I find lore justifications for restrictions foolish. I’m arguing that the player’s desire to be whatever race/class combo should be more important than any existing in-game justification and that Blizzard should make it happen.

It sucks that I have every Horde allied race unlocked and yet can’t be anything else but a Blood Elf on my DH. What I want from you is to say “yeah, that sucks, Blizzard should do something about that.” But instead you’re way too wrapped up in the whys and why nots of this race or that race becoming a DH.

We are all in this together, so if people make a suggestion that improves their game experience and has no impact on you then you should be supportive of that. But when all you have to stand on is your personal opinion of what game fantasy means to you as a reason to be unsupportive and you can’t see the problem with that then I don’t know what to tell you. I think that’s a dick stance to take and if you’re offended by that then I’m sorry. I wasn’t attacking you, but rather this system of race restrictions for no other reason than laziness on Blizzard’s part to create the lore to support player choice.

Ummm Tauren/Draenei can be monks with chi torpedo or warriors with heroic leap.

But assuming your point is correct, 1) High Mountain Tauren Vengeance Demon Hunters would be true monstrosities and 2) who’s to say they can’t be suddenly fueled by chaotic fel energies that allows them to move in a manner that defies physics. Don’t forget, they’re not just Tauren… they’re fel infused demon hybrids.

All you have to do is “because plot” and the plot can and has been edited as needed.

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Yup yup. And if they do that, I’m on board with it.

Realistically speaking, they’re not going to do it with Draenei or Tauren. They’re going to do it with the races that would already make sense.

If you asked me “what makes more sense for a race to be a dh between a human and a Draenei”, I’d say a human.

If they “because plot it”, fine. It’d be a meme, but fine

A few small problems here. First, the human and orc demon hunters were recruited by Illidan. There is no point of differentation there. Secondly, they were not an RPG-only combination. They appeared in at least one officially sanctioned written work as well. Lastly, there are four Demoniacs currently in World of Warcraft.

There are none, though. The only mentions of non-elven Demon Hunters anywhere are in sourcebooks for the RPG. If there are any in lore, I’d appreciate seeing evidence for it, but so far it’s been pretty consistently the case that any non-elven instances are isolated to the RPG.

They don’t appear anywhere in Mists, even though other professions like Haruspices did. Once they added the Zandalari as an Allied Race, Blizzard outright said that they have no connection to fel, and so cannot be warlocks. By extension, this likely means Demon Hunters are excluded as well.

That all being said, I’m not necessarily against the inclusion of a few other races to the Demon Hunter roster, if they explain it in a satisfying way. I don’t think there is any comfortable way to explain it for a non-Broken draenei, but most others could make sense. Until they do that though, let it stay the way it is.

illidari only, mate. sorry.

Draenei don’t make sense but Eredar kinda do.

The Legion is shattered and leaderless and there are undoubtedly demons and eredar scattered across the multiverse that still need to be dealt with. Why wouldn’t the Illidari take this opportunity to offer a shot at redemption to willing eredar? The eredar are already infused with obscene amounts of fel and have extensive knowledge of fel magic so it would make sense they could learn demon hunter techniques without strictly going through the same ritual.

I’d also argue that demoniacs make a lot of sense for trolls. Zandalari is already an available player race so it’s not that much of a stretch to illustrate a fringe group of zandalari engaging in the demoniac ritual much the same way the night and blood elves are depicted joining the Illidari and going through the demon hunter ritual.

Wham bam, each faction gets a new DH race and the lore doesn’t have to be flushed down the toilet yet again.

That makes less sense than Dranaei (they are eredar). Eredar that were forcibly infused with fel escape back to Velen and they are isolated due to the Draenaei hostility, and in a way for them to control the fel magic they seek out the help of the Illidari.

Something that already canonically exists within the lore makes no sense?..

Really?

Google ‘WoW Demoniacs’. They’ve been around for a long time and since Blizzard is obsessed with ‘faction balance’ you’d need a Horde race to compliment the eredar joining the Alliance and the trolls fit the bill perfectly.

If they where to have Eredar as a playable race they would likely end up Horde due to discrimination similar to what the Forsaken experienced with the remaining human kingdoms.

Honestly Blizzard showed recently they will do what ever the hell they want, established Lore be damned.
What I mean by that is “Lightforged Draenei Deathknights” … repeat that phrase a few times out loud and think of how stupid that sounds. I know we have Lightforged undead but that was by the grace of a Naru not the perversion of the Crown of Domination.

One would think as the pact with the Naru is sacred once the Draenei died there soul would belong to the Naru just as they pledged.

Honestly the current story exists in spite of lore. They write a narrative or story that is detached from the games history and simply pull characters or story elements that fit with the story they want to tell now. When something in the games history dose not fit they simply change it without much thought.

I mean they had the Nightborn join the Horde and that made less sense than the Eredar joining the Alliance. I’ve been through the Nightborn unlock quest and it was the most wooden, unnatural, dissonant storytelling I’ve seen in WoW to date. I won’t go into details because I don’t want to derail the thread but it ties directly into the latter half of your post with which I absolutely agree.

What little structure the lore had has been washed away by fanservice and it’s made it impossible for me to enjoy the game on its own merits anymore. If I don’t have a group to raid with I just don’t touch WoW these days.

But if I never say anything and let the ‘but magic’ handwavium crowd rule the discussion then Blizzard will never know some of us actually want some thought and structure being put into the story. So every once in a while I shout into the void hoping someone will hear.

I’m pretty convinced you joined the forums simply to spout “wow demoniacs” in every thread that remotely concerns additional races for dh.

Per your advice, I googled them.

They were retconned. That literally means they do not exist in warcraft lore.

So, yeah. No to the zandalari trolls

Yeah, the Zandalari troll (or just trolls in general) is the weirdest thing people are advocating for. There’s leeway with orcs and eredar, but trolls?

Orcs literally can’t hold their fel. All it takes is a basic fel taint and they go full murder swarm. It’s happened twice, once with Gul’dan and once at the Blood Furnace. The first time they even immediately caved to Legion influence and invaded Azeroth. There’s no way anyone with half a brain let alone an Illidari would trust that anything constructive would come of an orc going through the DH ritual.

Eredar (draenei) wouldn’t necessarily need the ritual to become DH as they’re already infused with obscene amounts of fel.

And Troll Demoniacs were literally described in quest text, have lore built up behind them and they’re direct ancestors of modern elves so it makes sense they’d respond similarly to elves to the DH ritual.

Haugs thinks the game is for him only. The guy is toxic.

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That is why I perma-banned him.

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Has everyone forgotten about the Eredar which is litterally a demonic Draenei. It makes complete sense for them to be Demon Hunters. So that one dude that said it makes no sense why a draenei would touch demonic powers because it goes against the light,. Well you might wanna guess again and look up the Eredar. Draenei took the power that Sargeras offered them converting them into the Eredar.

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No, but they had certainly forgotten about this post you revived from 4 years ago.

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