Wowhead and icyvein telling us that some classes are S or C tier but i can see C and D tier classes toping dps meter is that because phase 1 is underated atm?
You should be citing exactly the list you are taking about there is many if asking a question.
Also icyviens has been known for years to be iffy in value sometimes there good sometimes there not largly since many of there pages are not peer reviewed esp class guides.
Also lists are only guidelines and only accurate to the percent of players they are taking about eg if talking about the best players the list will be different than talking about avg players as the class the dose best when played by a 50 parser will be different than when played by a 99 parser.
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All dps classes
You did not answer the question.
What list are you talking about.
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because the group you’re in is trash and the D list dps shouldn’t be on top.
If you’re in a raid and the ret paladin is consistently on top you should probably leave
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It’s probably because classes perform somewhat differently if people are in optimized groups, using bis gear, gems, enchants, consumables and everyone is pre-potting, versus not doing everything perfectly optimally.
If everything else is the same, and you only compare using potions vs not using potions, the difference is quite large. If you add other differences like food buffs and flasks, or using cheap gems, enchants, sub-optimal gear etc. you can see a great deal of variance in individual or group parses.
As an example, you can that UH DKs are at the top, if you look at the 90-th percentile:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1015#dataset=90
And they are then in the middle of the pack, if you look at the 10-th percentile:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1015#dataset=10
AFAIK, rankings are typically based on optimal performance measurement, where they are only considering the max-percentile, e.g.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/1015#dataset=100
If you have, for example a BiS geared Ret paladin that is using full consumes (including pre-potting), versus a UH DK that isn’t using any consumes, and is in a mix of pre-BiS and BiS, then who knows? Perhaps the Ret Paladin will out perform the UH DK on the meters.
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DK in particular has a pretty high skill cap between all the snap-shotting/weapon swapping shenanigans and just they’re naturally difficult rotation. So you’re going to see a lot more variance there than you might for, say, a class that just spams the same spell over and over… *–
DK also has a very large variance because it has the largest gain by far from shorter fight lengths. All classes gain benefit from shorter fights, but none are nearly on the level of UHDK.
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Tier lists simply point out class’s max capability.
Tier list will tell you a DK can pump 13k as S-tier.
But bad DK will do 5k.
Tier list will also tell you MM Hunter can do 9k as B Tier.
Bad hunter will do 5k.
Tier list will tell you Ret Paladin can do 7k as C tier.
Good Ret will do 7k.
So you got:
Ret doing 7k.
DK doing 5k.
Hunter doing 5k.
^this does not mean tier list is wrong. Simply tells you players are with different skill levels are all around us.
This is where logs come in.
8k DPS as a ret pala will put you into 99th percentile - meaning 1% of rets are better.
8k dps as warlock will put you into 50th percentile - meaning 50% of warlocks are better.
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Yeah they’re very wrong. Ret should be even lower
As people have said, those tier lists are only a couple people’s judgement of DPS classes and how they think they fit into the meta.
You shouldn’t take them as the gospel, but rather as guidelines. Wowhead and icyveins are not infalliable, I see mistakes all over those sites all the time.
It also depends on the skill of the players in your raid team and how quickly they get geared compared to others. My team had a ret pally near the top early on in the phase because he won the first roll on betrayer and some other key pieces before others did. So for awhile he was basically near-BIS with most everyone else in pre-raid gear and was very competitive for the top slot on the meters. He’s also a great player and knows how to max ret dps.
You could also end up like my main lock and still have not gotten a single item from EoE and missing a few items from Naxx still, despite missing only a single lockout the entire phase, going into P2 only half BIS doing 8k :(.
most of wowhead’s content is essentially ai generated click bait what do u expect op
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Nope they are giving you the correct mathematical ranking.
Mathematical ranking is when you give the class to a computer that does all the timing and rotation 100% correct, does perfect CD management and decision making and gets all the required buffs and debuffs and etc to maximize the DPS output.
In reality I’d say 80-90% of raiders can’t even get close to that on their rotations and CD management. So regardless of what class you play if you play it right you are still ahead of many other people.
This is a big part of it for my raiding group. Fire mage with no Boomkin drastically changes my DPS output, sometimes by as much as 500+DPS. It’s nuts how much of an impact that 3% to crit makes.
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What about the warrior?
run away for sure
Don’t they usually do those comparisons at the 95th percentile of parses? Of course if you have someone who knows their class inside and out, min maxes appropriately etc and parses 90+ consistently they’ll do better than someone drooling at the keyboard parsing 50s.
Unless your raid consists of every raider parsing 95+ on every single fight, those charts don’t matter.
In an average guild that will complete hard modes, it’s likely your raid will have a few people who do this consistently, and then some 70-80s, and a random derpy person or two.
With that in mind, your personal ability is going to go a long way and you could potentially be topping charts with almost any class.
Certain classes are also easier to parse with than others
I.e. warlock has one of the highest dps potentials, but very few people are good enough to realize that potential (including me).
On the other hand mage is all about kill times and externals like PI and vate. There’s a bit of skill in mana management but its not particularly impactful on performance as much as these other things imo. Just press arcane blast.
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these lists have huge disclaimers. read it