Dotty, the charity pet...sort of

[Xj-faerlina]

I would love to know if they hit the $3 mil mark yet because I haven’t bought it yet and won’t if the money isn’t going to help the kids.

Charity pets seldom hit their 3 million mark, in fact I don’t think it’s been reached yet to be completely honest with any of their past endeavors.

[Onni-antonidas (Onni)]

You implied I’d be okay with them giving nothing when I said nothing of the sort. All I did was give my reason for not liking the 3 million cap, that was it.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Yeah except the phrase “Dispatcher” applies to a plethora of occupations.

Oh, so now we’re going to pretend we don’t know what a 911 dispatcher is and try to cover up you shoving your foot down your throat?

Please go talk to the officers, firemen, deputies, chaplains and medics that I work with if you can’t seem to understand what truly giving of oneself really is. Because it has nothing to do with money.

What a coincidence, because I’m glad I’m not friends with anyone who is misguided enough to think because they require something in return to justify doing a good deed means they’re a giving person.

Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I never once said anything of the sort. How much more stuff are you going to make up?

I struck a nerve

You’ve been sitting here insulting me consistently. So far I’m selfish, uncharitable, and illiterate. Keep going. Let’s see how long it takes for you to get a vacation.

God I wish we had an ignore feature so that I don’t have to see your incessant insults and attitude any longer.

[Xj-faerlina]

This would be better in my opinion. Just makes me laugh seeing people argue in this thread “I DID IT BECAUSE IT WENT TO A GOOD CAUSE, NOT FOR THE PET!” But they choose to donate through Blizzard where they are rewarded with a pet for doing so rather than directly donating for no personal benefit.

Really makes you think if they actually did it for the cause, or the pet.

[Xj-faerlina]

Oh, so now we’re going to pretend we don’t know what a 911 dispatcher is and try to cover up you shoving your foot down your throat?

Please go talk to the officers, firemen, deputies, chaplains and medics that I work with if you can’t seem to understand what truly giving of oneself really is. Because it has nothing to do with money.

I merely said that the phrase “Dispatcher” is applied to a large swath of various jobs doing the same thing, some of which utilize the title of “dispatcher.” Like I said, they refer to the people who tell delivery trucks where to be, what to carry, and when to be there, that deliver various resources to my company as “dispatchers.”

Don’t pretend like the word “dispatcher” applies to only those jobs you listed.

Please go talk to the officers, firemen, deputies, chaplains and medics that I work with if you can’t seem to understand what truly giving of oneself really is. Because it has nothing to do with money.

Am I going to argue that they aren’t selfless in doing jobs that are direly needed for the community? No, of course not, and I applaud them for doing those jobs. It takes a large amount of character to be a cop in this day and age considering all the flak they get, literally and figuratively. However again, those jobs are precisely that, jobs. They receive a compensation. See how many of those people would step up to the plate and do the same thing if their pay wasn’t as good as it is.

There’s a large difference between doing something as a job that benefits a community by extension and doing something because you truly want to help out. This is why when I was attending college I strictly volunteered to do oddjobs around the school rather than work for them directly. Even though I’d be doing the same exact tasks, the mere fact I’m utilizing my free time to do it for no personal benefit as opposed to doing it because I’m getting paid to do it makes a pretty significant difference.

Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I never once said anything of the sort. How much more stuff are you going to make up?

That wasn’t directed at you, but the fact you chose to take that much offense from it tells me you have some personal demons you need to cope with.

You’ve been sitting here insulting me consistently. So far I’m selfish, uncharitable, and illiterate.

I’m merely associating words to the impressions you give off through your posts. It isn’t like I’m pulling these out of thin air. In fact I’ve only directly called you illiterate because you supposedly read something then wrote an entire argument at me that said the same exact thing I already said as a refutation to what I said. This comes off as either short memory, or issues with reading comprehension. That was me giving you the benefit of the doubt presuming you just read something and just didn’t fully comprehend what was being said rather than picking a single sentence, ignoring everything else and writing a response.

When I stated “uncharitable” and “selfish” those were not directed at you by mere context and structure of the phrases, I was speaking at large because I’m not foolish enough to think in a public forum where everyone can read the posts that I should treat it like a private conversation. As such in that context “You” is generally referring to anyone reading it, not specifically you. You are doing a very fine job of proving the claim I made earlier that you got so upset by.

But eh, go ahead and keep trying to work yourself up into a frenzy thinking I’m attacking you. I understand these days it’s very popular for people to willingly choose to see themselves as being victimized and twist their logic just to reach that conclusion. Like going out of your way to take statements structured and worded to speak to whoever is reading the post rather than you directly as personal attacks.

I dunno, maybe I’m crazy but the mere fact you’re getting this worked up over remarks not even directed at you but are taking them as personal attacks and getting offended in response just tells me they have made you aware of some unpleasant truths, like you think they apply to you. If my guildmates refer to me with a homophobic slur beginning with “f” I don’t get offended because it doesn’t apply to me, and if I chose to get outraged for any reason it would imply it affects me on a personal level.

Now I’m just picturing you actually complaining about this in a real life scenario screaming “THE UNDEAD ROGUE SAID I WASN’T CHARITABLE AND HE SAID I WAS SELFISH!” Even though I never directed those claims at you in particular.

[Teufelgott-shadowsong (Teufelgott)]

You do know what a loan is right? You do understand the difference between a loan and a tax write off? I assume no. This money goes to the charity, nothing is expected to be returned that is a loan.

Man, it truly is amazing how you can completely misrepresent someone’s entire point by divorcing the quoted text from its actual justification for that conclusion. Namely that I said it basically functions like a loan where they are giving, with the expectation of something in return. Except this expectation isn’t an expectation that may or may not happen, it is guaranteed to happen in the form of a tax write off because for some reason we made charitable donations a tax write off, undermining the entire idea of what a charitable donation actually is. You give to give, not because you’ll gain a benefit for doing so down the line.

Do you feel good when you perform a charitable action? Does feeling good about doing something charitable influence your decision to do it?

No, I really don’t feel good when I do something charitable because I don’t allow myself to. Otherwise I taint good intention with the possibility I might be doing it for the feeling good aspect at which point, am I actually donating to be charitable or for a dopamine hit that benefits them by extension?

Enlightened self-interest seems like a better way to put it: I feel good when I do something nice for someone else…which encourages me to do nice things for other people.

Then your motives are not made through Altruism but in pursuit of self gratification. If you need any form of motivator to do a good deed be that emotionally or financially, then the good deed isn’t done with pure intention, therefore it isn’t a good deed. Which makes it self-serving at best with the illusion you give yourself that you did a good deed.

Someone is giving money to a charity. That’s all this is. Stop trying to twist it with your semantics.

Which again, you’re trying to divorce the entire situation from the relevant aspects. If you want to simplify your thinking to “They give money to charity, they’re good people.” Then that’s on you, but end of the day this isn’t done through altruism and to pretend it’s done in the name of altruism and not self interest is dishonest.

Of course, let’s just start throwing insults now.

Sorry, what else am I supposed to address someone as when they have shown an ineptitude of reading comprehension?

Wrong. They are not the same. Going by your holier than thou definition, they aren’t. Someone is simply acknowledging that their money goes to a charity. Period. Yours implies an entirely different mindset and emotional state with this fantastical unicorns and rainbows idea that you seem to give to the word “charity” and “altruistic.”

If you doing a good deed requires the caveat that you benefit from it, it isn’t a good deed. It’s a pursuit of self interest you cast off as “doing a good deed.” Bottom line is this and like I said. If you want to con yourself into thinking because you effectively bought a pet under the presumption that your dollars are going to an organization, that’s on you. However don’t pretend like this is anything other than what it really is which is that you bought a pet.

This is easily explained with one question. If you’re such a generous person and “doing it for the charity”, why did you opt to use the middleman who is going to reward you with a pet rather than donate directly to the charity where you receive nothing in return?

These accomplish the same goal, the only difference is one rewards you for doing it. If you need to have a reward for doing something good, then you are not charitable. If you needed a pixelated pet to justify you donating to a charity then it speaks a lot more about you than it does me. At least when I donate to a charity I don’t need a carrot on a stick justifying me doing do. I do it because I can and don’t need to receive from it in order to do it nothing more and nothing less.

Literally no one is doing this. They are giving money to a charity

There are people buying this specifically because the funds are going to the charity who could care less about the pet and are just doing it to support Blizzard’s donations. Don’t presume to know what everyone does.

No, you are not. You are buying an in game pet which again, if you’re truly “giving money to a charity” why did you do so through the middleman who is going to reward you for doing such? Let’s just call it what it is. You bought a pixelated pet, sure maybe them saying “3 million of proceeds go to charity!” might have influenced your decision to do such and make it an easier pill to swallow, but realistically you just did it for a pet. Just don’t consider yourself charitable because you bought a pet because proceeds go to a charity, simply by virtue that if you were truly giving to a charity to give to a charity, you would have done so directly where you don’t receive a benefit from doing so. The very fact you had to be rewarded for this action to justify doing it shows it for what it is, selfish behavior that ambiently benefits others but is never the actual focus.

Who the hell cares why corporations choose to do it? The fact is that these charities are getting money. Period.

Because I’d like to keep the integrity of the phrase “charitable donation” intact. If it needs to reward you in order to be done, it’s not a charitable donation. Period.

Also, I’m so glad you’re capable of living with yourself, I’d be pretty upset with myself if my good deeds required me having to benefit and then subsequently lying to myself about why I did it to avoid addressing the ugly truth of not doing so for the sake of altruism but in the pursuit of self gratification.

No, that’s you projecting some holier than thou attitude.

Really? Because your other replies to this very same post you’re quoting prove my point pretty clearly. You’re here ignoring literally everything visibly wrong with the situation and just fixating on “THEY GIVE MONEY TO CHARITY SO THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE!”

They pulled the wool over your eyes and you bought into it, figuratively speaking, in the exact way I described. They attached the phrasing “3 million dollars of proceeds go to a charity” and you stopped right there and took the bait and are now trying your hardest to defend the misguided notion this is done of benevolence and that they’re still good people for doing such.

Say it with me now… it’s a tax write-off for everyone.

Again, I don’t write off my charitable donations. 40 dollars from my last paycheck towards Autism Speaks will not show up on my taxes for a write off, nor will the other donations I’ve made with my other paychecks this year to other organizations, including Make-A-Wish. And trust me, even addressing that to make this point is upsetting me because I don’t do these things as token pieces for an argument to brag about how much I give, just as bad as philanthropists who donate to a charity then proceed to grandstand about how great they are because they did so. Can easily come off as “Oh so you did this so you can brag about yourself.” Unlike some of us I don’t need to receive a benefit for my actions in order to justify doing them. I do them simply because I can.

I never bought the pet. Go look at my collections. Don’t be condescending.

Good, now instead donate directly to the foundation if you are going to donate. Or are you just here to defend corporate greed and manipulation masked as charitable intent because it says “Proceeds go to charity!*”

You know nothing about me. As a dispatcher, I know more about giving of oneself than most. Don’t you dare stick your nose up in the air because you don’t like how corporations have charity events.

Yeah except the phrase “Dispatcher” applies to a plethora of occupations. Truck drivers have people who tell them where to go to pick up loads of goods, or where to deliver. Know what they call them? Dispatchers.

And if you are actually doing such as a voluntary effort, not in pursuit of any form of compensation for your effort then good on you, there’s hope for you yet. However I’m not really here to get into a charitable accolades shouting match because I do these things out of good will, I really detest having to even bring them up in conversation because even then it feels like my motives are undermined.

But I do know you’ll judge anyone based off of your own twisted views

Yes, because the belief that you shouldn’t require compensation for doing something good is a “twisted view.”

I’m happy to never be friends with anyone like that.

What a coincidence, because I’m glad I’m not friends with anyone who is misguided enough to think because they require something in return to justify doing a good deed means they’re a giving person.

Judging by how frustrated your post seems to imply it indicates you wouldn’t be in for a pleasant time if you had someone questioning whether your motives for doing good things were genuinely pure or not. Just kind of looks like I struck a nerve, introspection making you aware of some unpleasant truths is it?

Only if sales go over $3 million, which no charity pet they have sold ever has.

Yeah that’s why I said “attempt” but even if they don’t hit that marker, it’s still a tax write off.

Yea…if i give to charity without buying the pet i can use it as a tax write off too.

Never said it wasn’t, but again, if you need to write off charitable donations on your taxes, you’re not a charitable person.

You must be a blast at parties.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Now I’m just picturing you actually complaining about this in a real life scenario screaming “THE UNDEAD ROGUE SAID I WASN’T CHARITABLE AND HE SAID I WAS SELFISH!” Even though I never directed those claims at you in particular.

First of all, I don’t scream. Nor do I get bent out of shape over these forums. I find it funny that you think I would. You’re only here to judge people and deem everyone unworthy. Have fun with that. People donate the way they want and that’s none of your business nor your place to judge. Step off that pedestal.

Secondly, yes you most certainly did call me those things. You might want to read what you write. Find someone else to insult, I’m done with you. You’ve had nothing of value to add to this discussion.

Also seems @Therinity is still liking posts, I can see they still haven’t muted this thread.You want to answer those questions now since you seem to want to stick around?

[Garstom-illidan]

I think it’s dark because it seems like Blizzard is trying to earn a quick buck off of the suffering of kids. That’s a lot of money to give to those charities and Im sure they’ll see that money but to say there is a cap? That’s greed my friends.

[Nightmove-ghostlands (Nightmove)]

I’m a bit confused. Perhaps someone can clarify this for me.

With all of their money Blizzard really needs to hire some good PR people to help them avoid pit falls like this. If anything they should have just gone with the deadline date like in the past.

So come on Blizzard people are giving their money to help the kids. Not for executive holiday bonuses and stockholder profits.

Getting people to give money to help the kids and then keeping some of it for yourselves is just wrong. No matter how many asterisks you include in your adds to us!

[Ashuran-saurfang]

Nah. These people are just out for blizzard anyway they can. If they did what you suggested they will just scream

“Why give a deadline for charity?”

“Dottie pet proceeds should always 100% go to charity as long as it is in the shop”

“OH they are just doing this for the tax breaks since no matter how much they give to charity it is still below the tax they will save”

“Oh blizzard is just being scrummy not really charitable, I just donated 100 dollars directly instead and did not go after the tax break so I am more charitable than that 3,000,000 dollars they are potentially promising”

Edit: Meanwhile these foundations, that they are supposedly defending, are very happy to partner up with Blizz So this says a lot lolz

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Blizzard is trying to earn a quick buck off of the suffering of kids

Let me throw some facts at you:

• 100% of the charity pet goes to the charity until the deadline or until the cap is hit.
• No other pet in the history of their charity pets has ever hit $3mil.
• Most companies only give a percentage or partial dollar amount per item sold, Blizz is giving 100%.
• Every single person, small business and corporation can write off donations.
• Companies sit down with charities and work out how much is going to be given as part of these types of events and you will quite often find the cap limit in the fine print.
• Make a Wish is getting $1.5mil and WE is getting $1.5mil. Blizz takes none of that.

So please explain to me how your hyperbole makes any sense.

[Mariotte-wyrmrest-accord]

what do you think a tax write-off is? All that money that gets donated blizzard will just write off anyways and get their taxes cut like crazy and save tons of money.

[Mariotte-wyrmrest-accord]

its 100% donated because it gives blizzard the largest tax write-off. They basically save millions of dollars on their taxes.

[Xj-faerlina]

Nor do I get bent out of shape over these forums. I find it funny that you think I would

See. Thing is this. You say that, but then go into tirades about “You’re only here to judge people and deem everyone unworthy. Have fun with that. People donate the way they want and that’s none of your business nor your place to judge. Step off that pedestal.”

Yeah you clearly sound like you don’t get bent out of shape on the forums in the slightest. . .

May as well just cross your arms, huff and get really quiet while mumbling “I’m not mad.”

Secondly, yes you most certainly did call me those things. You might want to read what you write. Find someone else to insult, I’m done with you.

I did read what I posted, multiple times. None of these are even conceivable as directed attacks unless you want to force yourself to see them that way, but again, whining over perceived attacks that were never directed at you still. Yeah that “I don’t get bent out of shape” is doing really well for you.

You’ve had nothing of value to add to this discussion.

Pray tell. I gave my matter regarding charity. I entertained you giving me non-argument after non-argument with no logic behind anything you’ve said whereas I put my logic on full display with an explanation of how I come to these conclusions. I even went through the hassle of having to reiterate things I said a multitude of times because you just were not getting it. I won’t use the actual word that describes poor reading comprehension because you’ll likely take that as an attack, but bottom line is your ability to comprehend what you read, let alone follow a conversation leaves much to be desired. I entertained you feeling it necessary to grandstand about what you do for a living as a desperate attempt to say “I do good things, therefore I’m a good person, how dare you say otherwise because I believe charity stops at just donations and that the intention behind why you donate is insignificant.” Like I’m going to actually ever care in the slightest, no idea why you felt it necessary to bring up otherwise. Hell it mattered so little to me I don’t even know what the hell you said you did. Given the word “dispatcher” is coming to mind when you tried to act as if the word “dispatcher” isn’t a fairly innocuous term used in multiple other occupations just describe someone who tells people where to go, that might be it.

Take your loss gracefully. No need trying to look like you’re saving face with your whole “I’M DONE WITH THIS!” approach while you pretend that you aren’t personally bothered by what I said as evidenced in your posts and current behavior. You still just look like a child throwing a temper tantrum because they met an opposing viewpoint.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

I guess no one is charitable than, and everything nice everyone does is deceit. Interesting outlook.

[Xj-faerlina]

Altruism is a very strict and rare mistress. Even if you don’t strive for genuine altruism, have the self awareness of why you are doing something and the ability to address why for what it is is a valuable skill for life.

I mean this sincerely, honestly think about why people do things. Why you do things yourself. If somebody donates to a charity then spends two hours talking about how great they are and that everyone should be like them, did they really donate to charity as a legitimate thing of altruism, or was it just so they could have something to grandstand on and basically shout “LOOK HOW GREAT I THINK I AM!”

If I give somebody money and expect them to pay me back, did I really do something genuinely nice or did I just merely do a moderately decent action that wasn’t charitable in the slightest?

Or better yet, if I donate to a charity, then proceed to write it off on my taxes, did I give to the charity to actually aid the cause wholeheartedly, or did I do it so I can have a write off?

Or even, if I do something nice for somebody because it makes me feel good, did I actually do it to do something nice for them, or did I do it just so I get the satisfaction of knowing I did something nice?

If your intent boils down to anything that results in a known benefit and that influences your decision, it isn’t altruism. It’s self serving which is the polar opposite.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

That was a long reply for something everyone already knows, “everything any company does is for PR”. At the same time, i fail to see how giving $1.5-$3 million to charity is a bad thing.

[Xj-faerlina]

I never said it was a bad thing. It’s a good thing with bad intentions behind the decision. It’s like a trojan horse I guess if you want an analogy. I’m just frustrated they aren’t going to be honest about and meanwhile people are only going to see “THEY’RE DOING A GOOD THING THAT MEANS THEIR INTENT DOESN’T MATTER!”

Even though the intent behind it is literally what people on these forums have been crying about for a week with the brutosaur outrage and that being the perception of evident greed by trying to force token sales so people don’t miss out on a novelty mount.

Then they throw up a pet with 3 million going to a charity from the proceeds and everyone acts like they aren’t as scummy anymore when the whole driving force behind this action is simply it’s zero loss to them, in fact they probably benefit from doing this and it stopped the outrage mob for a short bit.

[Voxplaga-ravencrest (Voxplaga)]

That’s kind of a bad analogy, as giving to charity isn’t going to hurt anyone in the end, but sure. Also, i don’t see anyone who actively hates blizzard changing their mind over them doing a charity fund raiser.

[Xj-faerlina]

It isn’t PR meant for those people. Blizzard has realized no matter what they say, or do a decent chunk of players are going to hate them. Usually the same people, sometimes a whole different crowd.

However it’s more that everything gaming news related is going to shove the “CHECK OUT THE NEW PET BLIZZARD IS DONATING PROCEEDS FROM TO CHARITY!” and that news inevitably will reach people who don’t have a solidified opinion of Blizzard.

Then a few years down the line a few randoms might see Blizzard and think “Oh this is a nice company, they had those charity pets I read about.”