Dude you are totally clueless. go away
Warrior threat is crap.
Get owned more?
You were literally wrong about everything you have said. I hope you are trolling, but either way I am done with you. gl with your trashcan warrior.
I’ve literally been trying to teach you how to play since our first interaction, up to and including explaining how Devastate works to you 2 posts ago because you just didnt know.
You got in over your head on a topic you’re ignorant about. That’s ok. It happens. Take the L
The problem with warrior threat has always been that a raid will always prefer a rogue to apply improved expose armor which blocks the sunder effect from being applied and thus the scaling threat component of devastate related to it. This significantly hampers warrior threat levels but the 500 raid wide ArPen is well worth it.
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That’s the case in 5/10 mans absolutely. Doesn’t really apply in raids since usually you’re taking enough damage after the first couple seconds to be rage capped. They scale a lot better than druids threat-wise so you really start seeing warriors pull ahead in T6 content when they’re running better weapons and have the extra itemization to work in more offensive stats.
I agree though I wouldn’t be surprised if the speed-run meta end’s up being a druid tank if you can get through fights like Illidan/ROS without a war
No, that just makes the problem even worse, it was bad before that. Warrior threat will be a huge problem, if you use IEA, which you should be using if you have any sort of melee hunter team.
Respectfully, I don’t see it. Neither from a mechanics standpoint nor from an itemization standpoint. T6 prot warrior gear is super chunky, but leaves a bit to be desired from a threat standpoint. T6 bear gear is literally dripping with ArPen and agility.
It appears to me that a T6 prot warrior is likely going to be tankier than a bear. However, a bear will likely be tanky enough along with having a significant threat advantage. I could be wrong, my only first hand experience was up to Brutalus. Time will tell.
Because it’s not true… That guy is either trolling, completely ignorant and delusional, or intentionally spreading false information. He doesn’t have a single source, nor argument for his ridiculous assertions. I have never even heard someone suggesting this.
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I also see a lot of people saying bears will have difficulty gearing early on. I mean, T5 is where it’s at, but if you’re just looking to be good enough/uncrittable for kara all you really need as a bear is:
-3 pc clefthoof set. Easy to get, they’re crafted BOE’s that don’t require any crazy mats.
-A few PvP pieces to get some resilience. If you’re a chad you’ll do some arenas and get your gladiator’s maul which is about your BIS threat weapon early on.
-Your violet signet ring (the blue one you get right away)
-And your Helm of the Claw which is a guaranteed quest reward for doing steamvaults
Easy as that, you’re ready to tank anything in kara with ease
Let me try to be condescending while I explain this to you.
Devastate’s damage and threat are largely based off of an ADDITIVE damage modifier based on the number of Sunders on the target. Yes, Devastate scales with weapon damage, but something like 60-70% (from what I remember) of the damage comes from the additive modifier due to Sunder stacks.
The entire Warrior rotation has additive threat and/or damage modifiers. Devastate is no different. That means they scale worse than the other 2 tanks, who hardly have any additive threat modifiers.
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Hard to be condescending when you’re wrong.
Incorrect
Doesn’t affect damage at all. Try again.
Take the L and move on kiddo. I’m beginning to feel a little bad for bullying you
I rolled a warrior tank in classic because the first time around I MT’d as a bear, and this time I wanted to try a different flavor. We had raids on farm despite some people saying (despite evidence to the contrary) that we were lying about killing being able to kill bosses with a bear MT, and despite people mocking us in trade for having a bear MT. Yes, it’s perfectly viable and our healers and DPS never complained about incoming damage or or a lack of threat output.
Anyone saying bears aren’t viable or “ideal” in TBC is full of it- they’re the same type of elitist idiots who say a Nelf rogue isn’t viable because they don’t have a human racial, or Gnome warrior isn’t viable because the race starts with less stam than a Dwarf warrior.
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It’s not as much as Corpseten said but it does scale some what with sunder stacks.
“Sunder the target’s armor causing the Sunder Armor effect. In addition, causes 35% of weapon damage plus 50 for each application of Sunder Armor on the target. The Sunder Armor effect can stack up to 5 times.”
Are people really worried about gearing going into t4…i’m pretty sure it’s gonna be rolled in lvl 60 gear pretty easily. As for bears 5 pieces from quest. 2 from dungeon, and the 3 clefthoof pieces. Get earthwarden as prio, use ur armor rings from classic and your armor trinkets. Threat isn’t a problem being thick is. Any guild worth anything is gonna have hunters chain misdirecting the MT from the start for a massive threat boost. legacy-wow. com/tbc-druid-pre-raid-bis/#Tank
King’s Defender: 98 to 182 damage. 140 damage average. 35% is 49. 5 stacks of 50 damage is 250 damage, plus 49. 49 / 299 = 16.4%.
So 83.6% of the Devastate damage comes from the Sunder Armor stacks.
Account for buffs and debuffs (Battle Shout, Might, Expose Weakness, etc), and 60-70% is pretty accurate.
Is that figuring that meta guilds are using IEA?
???
I was showing the math on how much of Devastate’s damage comes from SA stacks. If you’re using IEA, you don’t Devastate.
yeh, it kinda makes a prot war threat suck.
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