BC collectors edition came with a pet. So was original BC pay to win? Also please link pricing and restrictions on boosts and mounts, along with the token announcement. Every expansion has come with a free boost since WoD. If the BC boost is free it’s not pay to win, since you’re not paying.
Hehe goes to show that even though you criticize the OP for being low progression you post from a 27 mage so we can’t cross reference your own…
Pay to win is any real money system that allows you to progress, advance, or increase power of your character.
Pay to win systems were original micro transactions found in the form of gold on phone games that allow you to advance your character or army at a faster rate by using resources that are normally finite, but just so happen to also be sold on the RMT store.
The meaning of pay to win is very broad and the boost system blizzard is introducing is within the definition of pay to win. Pay to win doesn’t mean you get to win the game, it doesn’t mean you’re even going to be successful, all it does is give you a leg up for $$$$. Obviously some games especially certain EA and phone games have taken this into the realm of RMT = massive advantage that’s not present in the base game, but that’s not pay to win, it’s just a worse situation in something that in all honesty can’t even be considered a game any more.
That’s sorta the trouble with any system that converts real money into progression; is it actually a real game any more?
K. go mind flay something and brag about beating one of the lowest pools of players. Next time, learn to read what people write before inserting words into people’s mouths.
I’ve literally never used mind flay in any of those logs lol.
Learn to review a log before making assumptions. Guess you lack reading comprehension as well.
Also you trying to move the goalpost and say a DPS priest is not valid. All you had specified was not clearing naxx and/or having grey parses. Since I met both of those criteria you then felt like trying to act like I am still not a proper example as I am not the right class and it is somehow easier to play. Yes you didn’t make an absolute statement but when you assume a large majority but only provide the OP as an example and a dubious statment of “most people I talk to” it’s quite easy for 1 person to post they are against boosts and throw off your statement.
I could go looking around various boost forums to look at all the people that actually post on a 60 and check their progression but many people don’t post from their main just like you seem to be doing so that wouldn’t prove anything either. I post from my main so random people that require a certain level of performance (which is ultimately unimportant to having an opinion) will take me at face value. Does it mean I might get people that don’t like me in-game due to talking to me on the forums? Well yes but I prefer to not hide behind a random alt and my opinion won’t change just because you see me in-game.
Just assuming all over the place. Assumptions all you’re good at!
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This would be true but since they’ve talked about how they’re going to give us more details about the price of it later, that suggests it’s not going to be free.
Though since it has a once per account limitation, I would hope they don’t charge $60 USD for it like they do on retail(though I suspect they will).
I always found that price point to be completely insane.
No.
No, I do not wish Blizzard was like this.
Talk is cheap. I’d like to believe it but my experience is when revenues aren’t as projected the focus on the community goes out the window.
Maybe they’re a new breed. Maybe AoC will be a smash successful. We’ll see.
Meanwhile, I see they are still flooding their “beloved testers” or whatever they call the Alpha people with cosmetics.
Looks like they have a good pipeline in place to feed a cash shop.
They said p2w. So people will argue “Cosmetics aren’t p2w” and then use the slippery slope argument.
Good news op. The company sounds just like Blizzard!
Gee, no kidding. Only, we were comparing them to level 1characters. You know, like they would have been if not for the boost.
I hope those that boost enjoy their purchase. I also hope that they would be kind enough to understand why those who don’t like the boost would also like a server where that doesn’t exist.
Don’t use the ignorance of random people giving bad definitions as fact.
Pay to win is simply a transaction of real money for a MEASURABLE increase in PEFORMAMCE for RELEVANT content.
Aka, if I give Blizzard money and they give me something to increases my parses or something that can be MEASURED to make the content easier.
That is pay to win.
A boost offers no measurable increase in performance nor does it offer a measurable reduction in difficulty in relevant content.
A boost does not make you do more dps/hps nor does it reduce damage taken or reduce the stats of mobs in relevant content.
Sorry kids, classic leveling is not relevant content in TBC. Even a BE or Draenei does not start affecting relevant TBC content until they are 58 and in Outland.
The only thing close to pay to win in all of wow is the wow token and it’s so silly to think any player would use wow tokens to buy BOEs because that would translate to literally hundreds of dollars, minimum, for just a few pieces that get replaced in a month anyway.
The wow token is just barely considered pay to win. But the gold is set by players and people can use gold as a payment option for services so not an awful system.
Still don’t want it in any version of classic but not the end of everything.
And a boost is certainly not pay to win. It’s just a money cost entry option into TBC content. In addition to the purely time based leveling option, or the mage boost for gold option, or your existing 60. Pick your poison. No matter which one you pick you’ll still have to enter abd level through outland like everyone else.
just because the ashes of creation devs said that now doesn’t mean it isn’t going to have P2W later. lol
He’s not even good at that.
Something that doesn’t change gameplay/power isn’t a huge deal to me at all.
If I could make one change it’d be adding in the barber shop with the new hair styles.
Only works on fresh servers. You don’t get to ignore the 60s because it’s convenient for your argument.
Even if you removed the 58s the 1s are still at any perceived disadvantage because they’re 1s in a world full of 60s. Adding in the 58s doesn’t hurt the 1s at all because any advantage you think the 58s have the 60s have more of.
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One thing World of Warcraft has that Ashes of Creation doesn’t – so far – is a wonderful, playable game. 
If you compare the GW2 manifesto from ArenaNet to Blizzard/WoW, you might love what you read. But when you play the games … it ain’t close.
The only MMO so far thats been able to hold its own to WoW is FF14, but I feel its only doing so because its a different type of MMO. Its also playable on console. It still doesn’t hold a candle to WoW’s sub numbers though.
The fact people believe what companies say on a single sentence with NO proof or action behind is really shows why the boost is such an issue. People really have zero critical thinking skills, memory retention or basic logic to see the pattern.