I know for me it’s the hope things will get better again. I’ve enjoyed most expansion, and I hope they’ll go back to what works.
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I did it too many times. My initial four were to cover the four covenants for rewards. After that, it was pulling them through for the professions and so I could get easy mats off the profession WQs (Threads of Fate on all of them). Managed to get all but enchanting finished out, and now I drag my enchanter around to gear WQs for disenchanting and enchanting caches off the mission tables of my 60s. Stupid crystals. 
Right?
Don’t get them anymore.
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Ground mounts became worthless once you got flying too, but they’re still here. Sure, you could still use them, but why? (Flight Whistle was sometimes genuinely faster.)
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easy pvp BGs, Argus, instances. Flight Whistle was made for Legion and BFA content (which also required upgrades to function)
you got a good point there, though the problem is that it kinda is pointless when you got two FPs near the same questing hub or just pointless parts save for just raid summons.
though you have to admit that WQs also flooded the whole thing with Heroic/Mythic level gear for little or no effort.
what I’m saying is that the old system of WoD-BFA was such a slog that it was a turn off for those who just started/returning back to the game to have to grind rep and explore every corner before you even get your wings. Though it seems folks want to go back to Pre-WoD days where the only thing that should be limiting access to flying is your pocketbook (which was kinda trivial as it boiled down to whoever had the money by the time they got to max level to get flight)
fallacy fallacy: argument ad fallicium. Don’t dismiss people’s argument because they trigger you. Alot of the complaints I’ve seen about customization always happen to be Void/Blood Elves who want more hair, Nightborne who want Nelf customization and Worgens who still want a tail. We don’t know what customizations they’re doing but for now I’m happy with what they got.
and it’s more about having to retune fights that either are very mechanical heavy (Mythic Kil’jaden, because even today folks have said it’s impossible to solo) and may I remind you that N’zoth requires the cloak and the heart of azeroth to function (which means you have to do tweaking to make it function less you have people insta dying due to mechanics)
heck, soloing Eonar is essentially impossible due to the mechanics (it was like the Hellfire Assault fight as you have to fight enemies and protect both). Hence why folks will just skip Eonar.
It’s not due to laziness, but requiring a TON of fixes and tunes (remember how long it took for them just to tune Hellfire Citadel for solo purposes) but folks seem to ignore that.
well yeah, speak anying that counters their aguements and they’ll assume you’re a “shill” or a white knight. Then they silence you because you don’t think the same or you actually like the changes.
Is shadowlands good? yes
Is it perfect? not by a mile
Were the QoLs great? They added convenience but they’re not as perfect as everyone remembers
My point was that they still have a function even after flying came out. Ground mounts can only be used in some instances. Though I’ll give you PvP and Argus, because quite frankly I don’t want them anyway. 
Which is why I said “rewards aside.” WQs now are so unrewarding it’s not worth doing them. The fact that they’re simultaneously less rewarding and far more tedious, is just shooting the corpse for good measure.
Yes, and that’s the whole point. Most folks want to go back to when flying wasn’t gated in any way and the gold cost existed only as a minor way for Blizzard to remove gold form the economy.
I don’t know why anyone thinks that the design intention here is so that you “earn” anything. The design intention is entirely to prevent you from consuming content too fast, and to keep players engaging with things the way Blizzard wants us to. Blizzard doesn’t want you to have to earn flying, Blizzard would rather you never get it at all.
The only people who seem to think that flying is a “reward” that you should “earn” are the ones who drank the Kool-Aid that Blizzard served up after their absolutely disastrous attempt to remove it entirely in… you guessed it, WoD!
Inaccurate. The quote I referenced specifically called people out for things that have nothing to do with the arguments involved in the thread. That’s an ad hominem argument; an attempt to undermine the argument by undermining the person.
Nice try, though. You’d be, at least somewhat, more correct if I was trying to undermine your whole post. Instead I was pointing out one fallacy that existed in the post, not calling the whole post fallacious itself.
Yet when they retuned SoO they simply removed the requirement to do both towers in one part. Sometimes, despite you and I not having a good solution, there are still relatively simple solutions from the design side of things.
I was more just commenting. I didn’t contribute to it, I don’t bother flagging things just because I don’t agree with them. That’s not what flags are for.
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It’s the “you think you do but you don’t” or said differently “you think you do but we don’t care”. The hubris of this dev team is astounding.
If everything in your list, OP, was immediately added to Shadowlands players would be focused on the next tier of complaints that are really just nice to have (IMO). I would actually find Shadowlands and WoW more enjoyable too. As such I’ve been spending most of my time in classic and only logging on to do mythic+ with our group or running the heroic raid. Even now I duck out more often than not though.
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I played almost every day of WOD, Legion, and BFA. But what I enjoy is so annoying and unrewarding now, I barely login once and week, and often log out frustrated.
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“You think we can, but we ain’t.”
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Almost ever point you made is false, but go big or go home I guess.
It’s hard to tell if people like that or trolls or genuinely that defensive towards the game.
In my opinion, Activision Blizzard either has a very powerful algorithm, just want to increase token sales, or both.
My weird theory is that Blizzard has an algorithm in which our time is money for them. The more time we spend in the game farming, the more the company earns per hour, per player. The goal is to make things as slow as possible for the players while maxing revenue.
But if this theory is too insane, my best bet is they want players to buy tokens, which I think is probably the highest source of revenue in WoW. And the best way to drive token sales is making things slow, tedious and arduous so people go the easy way.
This game is designed to be a money cow, not a source of entertainment. Evidenced by the loss of many quality of life enhacements.
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Who cares?
You, since you’re commenting?
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Blizzard’s Developers are the Monkey’s Paw. They will grant all your wishes but do so in sick, twisted and evil ways.
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Blizzard hates its playerbase but most people are too addicted to notice the abuse by almighty blizzard who can do no wrong.
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That’s funny but seems alarmingly true.
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I think they went too far this time. Instead of making me play more, I’m barely playing at all. A skinner box only works if you can’t tell it’s a skinner box.
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Personally I disagree with a majority of the OP. Flight whistle voids the benefit of having cov perks and actaully use your brain. It’s pretty easy to get from point A to point B. I think delayed flying is fine, but no flying in the maw ever. I have no problem soloing old content so I’m not sure why people complain about it. I did solo TC 8 so I may be the outlier on that.
Covenants perks only work in your zone, thus voiding them from 75% of the gamgeplay. And no one can solo the Legion Mythic Raids right now - even though they could in BFA.
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Oh? I accept your challenge! I will give it a whirl later on tonight.