Does Horde have a distinct advantage in AV?

[Drinknblink-nightslayer]

@Peeporiot-benediction

This scenario 3 is what happened when I played my horde hunter, in av, in the aq phase, he had over 90% winrate by the end of classic

Scenario 3 (the horde have very long queue times): Our queue times got ridiculous in the aq phase of classic in 2019, sometimes over an hour, so the developed strategy was to prolong the game as long as possible because outside of the bg, we were just ganking people landing in EPL (we queued in undercity). We turtled every single game outside IBGY and didn’t let anyone pass, the alliance don’t know what to do (or stop trying and hope we win faster for their hph) and won almost every single game, there was the occassional russian premade (this was eu servers) that were able to all get into the same game and they would stomp us in the cave but other than that we won every time more or less

@Crudlord-tichondrius

Alliance are winning most games right now.

Literally read above.

Unless you’re sending a back cap group to abuse your cave res you aren’t going to hit 95% win rate

@Hawne-blaumeux

AV 1.12 is completely broken by the fact that the horde cave rez allows 2x as many people to rez closer to IB GY than any other GY on the map, and it gives that larger rezzing group direct access to both IB GY and FW GY defensively.

It is far more difficult for alliance to hold IB GY or FW GY for this reason. Even a smaller group of less than 20 horde defenders can easily reclaim IB GY and FW GY before they cap from a much larger group of alliance. That isn’t possible for the alliance at SH GY since they rez much further away.

Thus, horde has a straightforward offensive strategy of taking SH GY after alliance leave (or overpowering their turtle if they don’t go on offense) and establishing that as our forward operating graveyard. There is no equivalent for the alliance on the south side of the map because they can’t take and hold any of the southern graveyards against the horde cave rezzing defense.

Any sense of balance is destroyed by this fact. And this is the reason why there’s no offensive meta for alliance. Other than having a premade (like Incendius was doing) or severely imbalanced teams enabling alliance to take and hold GYs, there’s no winning strategy for the alliance side.

From literally back then.

When ally lose SHGY they are GONE form the game when they die because they will literally res at SPGY.

If ally soft cap ibgy and they are dying fighting there they go to SPGY, over 2 minutes away.