You claim to “sell” them. But if you were “selling” them. They wouldn’t have been in your bank to get deleted by this ridiculous bug.
Do you see where I am coming from?
So what if I made a ticket claiming I lost stuff? Me being one of those that lost nothing.
The data showing what you had and that you had something period was unrecoverable.
Aka your receipts/proof of purchase was set on fire.
There is zero proof that you actually lost anything other than your words. Which people would use this to abuse the system to get things they never had to begin with.
But that’s not items.
You are claiming you lost progress and by linking your toon and exclaiming you are proud of your end game progress… you are proving you didn’t lose progress. And differentiating between items and actual progress. Sorry, but you are contradicting your own points and claims lol.
I jumped down here to comment after reading about 40 replies, so apologies if this already has been brought up.
Holly has gone on record, multiple times, that she’s an active WoW player (as is Ion). A significant number of those in the leadership plays WoW.
I’d bet my left arm and leg that Holly (and Ion and others) has run into this bug themselves.
It’s a bit bemusing, to me, whenever players call out the devs and act as if they don’t know about bugs that affect a wide pool of players… they play the game too! They experience the same bugs that we do!
It’s the more niche bugs that have a higher likelihood of going unnoticed — for example, class-and-spec specific bugs. We know that Ion plays a Resto Shaman, so it follows that he won’t know about… let’s say, Outlaw Rogue. He won’t know their bugs.
But bugs that affect a wide pool of players, like banking?
You didn’t understand what i said. I said that data is data.
With my things i do what i want. I do my sells at my style. If the only thing that is going to be missing is for you to tell me how I should manage my ingame economy.
Yes there will be bugs. Problem is they keep pushing patches out that break things knowing it’s not ready for release. They should be pushing release dates back instead of releasing a broken product.
Yes, because by the time the problem could be fixed, millions of other players had already progressed past the point of the backups. Rolling back to that point would have just made everyone else suffer.
Because of this i didn’t answer you. Putting suspicion of fraudulent activity before someone who is clearly telling you that they no longer want anything back is only because you have nothing left to argue.
And also because I said everything I had to say with dates and data on the gvault issue in the thread that was “walking” from one forum to another, responding months later, etc.
This has already happened, this is past. Which does not mean that if it happened once, it will not happen again.
In me and my relationship with the game, there is a before and after that event. The lack of knowledge in the treatment of the affected players and guilds was absolute.
You no longer want things back. My entire point was there is quite literally no proof you lost anything nor do the tickets mean anything without the data to back them up.
That’s it.
You thinking this was a “nothing left to argue” point is just invalid when the entire point went over your head.
… See this just shows how my point didn’t click at all.
How do you know who and how many it affected? You can’t know.
They literally apologized and said they did what they could.
They can’t privately email everyone affected because they don’t know who was affected beyond who they were able to restore.
I mean it’s highly unlikely it will. It never happened in 20 years prior as far as I am aware.
And the amount of backlash, they will have redundancies for the data so it won’t happen again.
You don’t know everything about the subject and you didn’t even bother to read the original thread, where a list of guilds was made and if they had lost “all” or “part” (because most of us came across a day when there was nothing in the gvault , nothing at all). Because it all started with several (which were later unified) threads that were “hey my bank is empty, what happened?”, because no one supposed that it had been emptied forever. We believed it was momentary and one GM even said that “things are there but you can’t see them.”
Excuse me but you don’t know what happened to this problem.
If you’re really interested, go and read the original thread that went from “general discussion” to “bugs” and then to “fixed” and now I honestly don’t even know where they put it. This is past.
I’ve lost stuff in the game to dumb bugs, glitches and limitations before. It’s all just pixels and I didn’t lay out cash for any of it beyond my regular subscription fee. For the things that I did buy with cash, I have receipts.
I mean, that’s completely valid. And yet, people don’t seem to be doing it. Instead they keep trying to talk to someone’s manager to have something impossible done about it, when it’s clear that there’s nothing else that can be done.
Bank accounts are insured for up to $250,000 per depositor by the FDIC in case there are technical glitches, a loss of records, theft, embezzling, etc. The other things that you listed are legitimate claims that can be made against a person’s funds - no one took guild bank contents to pay off delinquent child support or a tax bill.
The contents of video game accounts aren’t insured by any entity.
There’s a difference between upgrading the graphics and a major change like warbands. It’s an old game running on old code so I’m more understanding and forgiving if things go wrong. I’m willing to deal with them working out extra bugs in exchange for having shared currency which is something I had been hoping would be added for years.
How is stating the reality sugar coating? It sucks they screwed up but it happened and the stuff that was lost isn’t coming back no matter how much you stamp your feet and hold your breath.
I’ll ask again, what is it you guy want from blizzard exactly? Do you want their executives to fly out to you and physically grovel at your feet for forgiveness? Do you want gold cap? A free year subscription? Because what happened the way it did, there isn’t even a way to tell if all of the people claiming lost items are being honest or not.
You guys do realize that blizzard could just wipe the servers clean if they wanted to, right? It wouldn’t be a good business or PR move but they are under no obligations to preserve our stuff or even our characters. You should probably understand this before you even begin playing.
The scary part is if they lack this fine control over game data on the sql server…it means they lack checks and balances to see hacks like duplication.
See in eve…they watch inventories. Dupe hacks. So how does player X massively double item counts with no reason as to how. No trades, no buys, and no math basis to crafting making this possible.
Answer: duplication hack. they’ve had a few. Bans come quick since inventories don’t shoot that fast magically.
Lots of games are like this.
If they can’t prove you never had 100 items. they can’t prove duplication hacks that when repeated that get this to 100K “overnight” either. Scary as hell, that.
Yeah, seems like dupes would get through as long as people play normally and wait enough time for it to drop off their logs to start handing out/selling stuff.
This really should be a wakeup call for Blizzard… right?
Comparing Blizzard devs that get paid a RL salary to players of WoW complaining about lost digital items that they don’t even own, is invalid.
Of course employees at Blizzard are paid in RL cash, not pixels. Although it wouldn’t surprise me if part of their total compensation was a deep discount (or even free up to a certain value) on the Blizzard Store, which would indeed be “payment in pixels.”
Losing access to real property (e.g., an FDIC insured bank account) due to a civil judgment is not at all the same as claiming that because you can lose access it was never yours. The very fact that it is yours and is being taken away as a punitive award in a civil case means that prior to the judgment being executed it was yours. I guess study up so more in your arm-chair legal guide, because what you posted is non-sensical.
