If u actually had a snippet of teh data the devs have regarding who does what then u’d know a little better why they did fresh servers so soon.
Your reasoning is based on nothing but incorrect and self interpreted info.
The fact Apocalypse is literally the only person here arguing for this nonsense and everyone else is fighting it, should be very telling…
Just under a year. Juneish or so last year is when it launched, if memory serves, and it launched earlier than expected cutting short the life of the previous server which was only just getting to Naxxramas.
We both know the relevant data… FRESH launches. Massive population shift to the new FRESH REALM. The old, stagnant server dies out.
http://vanillaradar.com/lightshope-stats/
Sort by “All time” so you can even see Lightbringer on the chart
As for why they did the fresh servers earlier, it’s because they wanted to run a full (or near full) server life cycle before Classic launches in “Summer”… Had they given lightbringer the time it would have needed to finish the Naxx tier before launching Northdale, they’d have ended up with Classic launching around the time the BWL->AQ40 transition was happening.
The fact that private realms learned how to sustain servers years ago and you can’t accept that reality is very telling…
but by all means, feel free to actually suggest a better option to adress stagnation. “Do nothing and let the servers die, because you’re too selfish to make necessary sacrifices” isn’t a viable option.
how dense can u be do u even read a single line?
Exactly, So why do u think classic should do the same?
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oh because the old server was stagnating? which is absolutely false… the only thing that was stagnating was the amount of $$ that could be made.
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But it doesn’t matter what anyone says, u know it all wayyy better, fim tired
First of all, your English is less than stellar. Secondly, you have yet to actually provide an argument in response… thus far the closest you’ve managed to come to that is a deflection about how Pserver owners wanted more money, despite that in no way actually accounting for why so many people willingly reroll onto FRESH realms.
Because it’s actually proven to work, and has demonstrated overwhelming popular overall support in the situations it has been applied.
Because it also more authentically demonstrates actual vanilla era progression and time constraints by preventing people from progressing into content they have not authentically earned the right to progress into, while also more accurately giving players the opportunity to replay more than just the end game of vanilla, while also more accurately preventing situations where the game becomes too “top heavy” gear and gold wise.
Why do you want stagnant servers?
Well so far the arguments basically come down to
- People are afraid to lose their *poop
- People admit that they don’t intend to log on for days/weeks/months at a time
- People want a “Game Genie” to grant them easier access over time to content they have haven’t earned the right to do. A modern, LFR-ish kind of entitlement to content that wasn’t meant for them.
Okay so after skimming through the last 40-50 comments, pretty much what im seeing is Apocalypse vs literally everyone else.
It doesn’t matter what people think and what private servers have done in the past. It doesn’t matter if you think the servers will “stagnate and die”. This is blizzard. Yes they haven’t confirmed anything yet regarding servers but they just simply wont do hard resets. They wont delete peoples characters and progression.
This argument is literally not going anywhere lol.
I just can’t comprehend how someone can’t see the sense in having indefinite servers AND fresh servers. Its not hard for blizzard to do that and i’d bet money that they will.
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You need to understand that Apocalypse has spelled out in the past that he’s an old-school raider: i.e., he doesn’t in the least understand that anyone, much less nearly all of the playerbase, could possibly play for anything other than “rush to the end of the most advanced raid.”
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Those numbers don’t seem to be random - They seem to heavily favor your personal preference. Why does scenario B have a 60% smaller total player base? You conveniently omit the point I made that while there players who want Vanilla over TBC, there are those who prefer TBC over Vanilla.
I also don’t treat the players as meaningless numbers; I treat them as players who want to play iterations of WoW while maximizing the health of those iterations.
There’s definitely players that do that. There will be people who rush like mad to gear as fast as humanly possible and defeat kel thuzad then log out of the game and straight away look for a fresh server to do it all over again.
That will be like 0.01% of the playerbase for classic. Thats fine. They can rush as much as they like. If blizzard releases tbc or fresh vanilla servers they can go there after downing kel thuzad. The other 99.9% can relax and play how THEY like.
No one should ever be forced to have their characters deleted just because a few people say it’s for the best.
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There’s no reason to force TBC on to Classic players.
But I think having WoTLK servers would be great at some point - but obviously as a separate thing; Classic servers would remain. But then how much are you splitting up your player base and having to maintain several versions of a game?
*note: I’m saying WoTLK because BC sucked; especially the original version.
When it is discussed without name calling or insults, both arguments are much easier to digest. +1
You can please some people all the time, and all people some of the time, but you can never please Private Server evangelists, ever.
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No, what you’re seeing is Apocalypse point out how the game was actually designed, and a bunch of people trying to actively sabotage the game because they are too overflowing with entitlement issues to see reality.
It splits the community is part of the concern, and eventually the older realm will inevitably die, or at least drastically decrease in population.
Which then brings into question how you maintain those populations for a healthy server?
-Do you just let them die? If so, then why bother going through the effort of trying to preserve them to begin with and just nuke them to avoid splitting the community.
-Do you constantly merge it with other old realms (since you can’t merge it with servers not yet at that level of progression)? Now you’ve got an ever dwindling supply of servers and players that are getting ever more condensed down to a single realm…
-What about a “non seasonal” realm (everyone after a “season ends” gets dumped into a “non seasonal” player pool)…
Ok, how do possibly maintain any semblance of server community in either of the above two scenarios? How can you possibly predict active server populations when many of these people, by their admissions, might not be logging on for MONTHS at a time? Remember this isn’t going to have sharding long term, or LFD/LFG/modern raid lockouts… People aren’t going to be largely “pugging” much of this content. They need to be able to form and maintain guilds and form/maintain raid groups. That involves having a stable server community within which to do so.
That being said, I do agree that Blizzard will likely attempt try and appease both reality and the pro stagnation brigade, because appeasement and caving to casual entitlement has been the company motto for over a decade now. And the result will end up the same as it always does. “FRESH” server ends up getting played by the vast majority, and the rest sit around choking to death on stagnation.
Which is irrelevant. If anything I’m the exact kind of player that resets benefit the LEAST… Casuals should be praying resets come to pass, it’s the only way they’ll ever be competitive with more hardcore players in venues like PvP (even if only for a little while), and leveling and dungeon gearing is the vast majority of the content they even have.
…because all the ones who want to be playing the version of the game that shut down left?
This is like asking, “Why does 2+2=4? I prefer 1+1, and think you very biased to deny that 1+1 could equal 5.”
“Players who want to play iterations of WoW” is an excellent way to mask what you’re doing from yourself, apparently. Players who want to play an iteration of WoW can be found playing Modern…because that’s an iteration of WoW, if that’s all one cares about. Players who want to play pre-BC, not “an iteration of WoW” will not play whatever “iteration of WoW” you feel like throwing at them.
You do have a point. A solid enough of one.
However…
I accept my title of ‘Entitled’. I’m all for the game genie approach of infinite time. I want to be able to work on my toon for years. Blizzard has stated that I can do so. There’s no argument to be had here.
There was plenty of interesting PvP to be had by players of all levels.
Just open separate TBC servers that allow a character copy.