Do you "identify" with any of the Community Council members?

It’s not just about raw features though

Pokemon doesn’t have the mmo social part. You can collect pokemon but you can’t sit on a rare mount you farmed and show off your competitive line up or answer whispers from passerbys asking for tips on celestial tournament

Sure wow isnt about pet battling, but it offers something that pet collecting games can’t

Its the same with pvp
Sure mobas are better for balance
But mobas you also can’t sit outside a main city trashtalking someone who flag of ownershipped you when it was a 2v8 because mobas are boring lobby games where pvp interactions with people are nonexistent

I get what you’re trying to say, but i disagree with telling people to play games that would better suit their preferred content because what wow offers by tying in diverse playstyles with its mmo is unique


Glad to see the PVP person’s main priority is the ability to queue into other premades via group finder. The whole gear gap issue isn’t really an issue at all, I guess.


Nope, they are boring and too serious on the forums

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I can assure you I wasn’t carried to it. It was a team effort all around, but as it is a newer guild, and I didn’t previously have the motivation to achieve KSM via pugging, it was a massive help to me that I had a guild group to run with to make it more enjoyable.

I don’t recall that ever being suggested by any of the PvP representatives.

Especially not from me. Can I get a source on that?

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I don’t know. This thread seems to be all about PvP gearing, iLvl discrepancy, conduit farming for PvPer’s

They don’t need to identify with me tbh. I just want this council to succeed and Blizzard to engage with folks like we’ve been thirsting for on the alpha/beta discussions.

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Did you even read the Council forum before commenting? I think this thread starts to address PvP gearing discrepancies.


The first issue I wanted to address is the massive ilvl gap. At its largest, the gap is 46 ilvls, the gap between the first rank of honor gear and maxed conquest gear. This is really a ridiculous amount of power difference, and the difference between fully maxed honor gear at 233 and maxed conquest is not much better.


This is because these players are based in EU, and those characters cannot post on NA forums. Therefore they have to make an NA trial account - a few of them have mentioned their mains and servers if you want to look them up!

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…which isn’t really possible with the current queue system, by the way :laughing:

I got a good chuckle reading that guy’s comment in the issue, because the topic has already been discussed ad nauseum in the BGs forum and it’s almost always agreed that “not much can be done” about the issue.

He basically has a first-grade understanding of the issue… no, you can’t just create a “Premade Match” tab and expect people to voluntarily do the right thing (goes against human nature), premades DON’T want to fight other premades, they DON’T want opponents that can actually fight back, duh :laughing:

If you add a “Premade Match” tab, people… just won’t ever use it and continue to queue up versus pugs :joy:

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I have found the covenant system to work great with solo plays, get to try out nice builds and different stuff on alts. I like the gameplay feel, but it feels like solo play lacks and decent rewards. Tying that to alts is huge for solo play since the endgame solo player rewards are lacking and is tied to world content. To see any notible character growth being tied to group content is very frustrating. Especially when you don’t feel like dealing with pug attitudes/ getting pressured to run meta builds/specs. The world content stuff is often bland itemization wise and time-gated power wise. It feels like they just want to funnel players into premade content.

I have enjoyed mage tower though, I just think that it is mostly focused on hardcore mechanics, I think this is nice solo play but I feel like different difficulty modes would have worked in Mage Tower to be more inclusive to the spectrum of skilled players that play this game. Much like a singleplayer rpg sometimes people are not looking for a challenge but still want character growth. Wow’s power is heavily tied to gear and it would be nice to see other ways to progress ilvl besides coordinated group content, and timegated world content. I really feel like torgast could have offered something like that, in the form of gear, or at least competitive gear from stuff like vault loot.

I think stuff like covenant design is more appreciated when it doesn’t focus on group content, since groups tend to enforce metas, and solo players can choose to deviate from things if content isn’t tuned that tightly.


Big agree. Everything I have read there so far seems to be very dedicated players to their favorite part of the game. Absolutely a good thing.

Now if only they added a notable Frost Death Knight player to save our spec (and class) :frowning:

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Mirasol is a North American player and she is still using a low level alt.

What a sad take. You know WoW needs to support more playstyles to actually stop losing subs right?


I would gladly suggest Blizz to revert Frost DK back to Cataclysm, but I’m not sure everyone would be happy with that.

I just want to spam Obliterate all day and not have to think about the rest

I don’t even know who any of them are nor do I care. They are just an echo chamber to keep bouncing love for blizz.


Go read my intro! Frost DK is where my heart is!! It’s easily my favorite spec to play! I plan on making a post soon about some ideas I have to improve the spec!

I honestly don’t know why anyone would subject themselves to that. Sure you might not have 5 friends with tank and healer toons to run keys with but you can make friends or join a guild and at least get “accountable” people to do higher keys with.

I personally loved frost dks when we had the machinegun build in legion. I found that fun and satisfying. Ever since they swapped talents it feels more clunky.


Honestly, whats the point of the Community Council? I see zero blue post in there and that is the major problem.

Take the Mage Tower, its a complete shtshow and we have got what one blue post? They need to come out and just say what their vision of it is. Do they want it this hard? Are they going to nerf it? Why should we be forced to farm old content? Why are leggos and covenants spells disabled? This would take all of five minutes to post and yet we will see nothing.