Adding or subtracting part of that sentence does not negate my point that these are not #nochanges servers. That was my point. Hide different parts of the sentence or read the whole blue post, my point stands correct.
Plenty of people are asking for minimal changes. Minimal is a subjective word, but not a single person I’ve seen has asked for the level of changes in SoD. While I understand the slippery slope concern, it’s incredibly hard to really feel that concern when it’s being voiced by people who unfairly respond to people making minor change requests (like the ones we have now) with “go play SoD!” It’s illogical panic.
There exists SOME form of middle ground. Want proof of that? We are playing on a #someChanges anniversary server and, using the full quote you wanted so bad, Bliz is trying out changes that retain the spirit of classic. It’s almost like that full statement makes it clear we aren’t going to devolve into SoD 2. So panicking over some changes doesn’t seem to make sense to me. But then again NOT having a fresh era sever also doesn’t make sense to me, because these servers are already not for the vanilla purists, and that genuinely sucks for them.
If I had 10 copper for every time Eyr used this emoji, I’d have enough gold to afford the dragon flying training we’re most certainly going to get in these #someChanges anniversary realms next phase
I just don’t understand where you’re coming from. You’re saying purists deserve a fresh server, but then trying to add changes to a server that was supposed to be…mostly pure. If you think purists deserve a server, then let this be that and go over to SoD and try to turn that into what you want, since that’s its purpose.
And Blizz has already muddied the waters with their changes. That’s a problem. They need a definitive definition for what they’re trying to accomplish and for whom they’re making these servers. It’s not panicking when we’ve seen this game go off the deepend again and again and the entitled people keep getting what they want and the ‘purists’ keep getting the boot.
But let’s take a step back. This is a progression server. It’ll run Vanilla, then TBC and probably Wrath. What is the point in asking for TBC stuff to be added to Vanilla? It’ll be here in a year. Just wait.
This, right here, seems to be the problem. What YOU define as mostly pure and what someone else defines as mostly pure is completely different. In my view, they should have given fresh era realms, because you and most of the other full or near vanilla purists would prefer to be there.
The problem is, “this” is, by blizzards own admission, NOT “that.” They’ve told you it isn’t. It’s racing into TBC with changes. So, where I am coming from is in the original post- divorce the groups. The #nochanges people have been convinced of the slippery slope to any change. Let them have their home, it isn’t here. I feel for these folks despite not sharing their mindset.
It’s no different from you saying ‘these are minimal changes’. According to you, perhaps. Not to others.
It’s easy for you to say that purists should deserve their own servers, but EVERY time the same people come in demanding their changes. And Blizz caves. So yes, we’re a little tired of the same routine again and again and again. And when Blizz labeled these servers as a fresh re-release of Classic, immediately those people showed up demanding all kinds of things. Blizz opened the floodgates when they added dual spec. And here we are again.
A couple years from now if Blizz releases another set of Fresh Classic…it’ll be the exact same thing. And you’ll be here saying they need to add minimal stuff, but how you guys really deserve your own pure servers!!
This exaggeration doesn’t refute holistic balance. Warriors are the best at DPS and TPS in raids. They’re not the best in PvP, are abysmal at solo farming, leveling, etc.
The world isn’t just instanced pve. That’s what I mean by holistic.
The rest of what you said is equally negligent of what I said. If it makes you feel better to call me a clown, go right ahead, but P1 sod was not successful because of its class changes, and Paladin is a well represented class with its own strengths and weaknesses. Not betting top of the line DPS in raid doesn’t make a spec poorly designed, and not having a top of the line raid DPS spec doesn’t make a class unviable. Note that Ret got to raid in 2019 and will raid this year as well.
Actually I am pretty confident I can:
I am asking for purists to have their fresh. They deserve it, I am not part of that group, but I totally get them. I also see these realms for what blizzard says they are, which can be described as something in between #NoChanges and SoD. Form your opinions about that spectrum below.
If blizzard gave fresh era #nochanges servers while running these types of #somechanges severs, this would quiet down a bit, and would go away almost entirely on those era realms.
If you had era fresh, I would not be making any requests on the #nochanges servers. So, no, I don’t think I would. And if I did make these requests on these progression servers, it wouldn’t effect the purists, hence, the divorce.
Maybe the line you draw in the sand for #somechanges just happens to be exactly where we currently are with anniversary realms, that’s an oddly specific line but we all have them somewhere. But if you’re constantly pushing against ANY change for fear for the slippery slope, I think that’s valid, and I think you deserve a #nochanges realm and I think you’d be happier there.
You actually can’t have it both ways.
The point is any fresh realms will be bombarded by the same tourists who don’t actually want Vanilla. And the Classic team caves to them. You understand you’re doing that right now, right?
I think I’ve finally accepted that Blizz doesn’t care about people like me as a player. They don’t want people who want an authentic experience. Who value the spirit of Vanilla. And they have a very warped sense of what that constitutes going by the changes they make, how they design the game, how the servers are set up. Or they’re just full of and it was never their intention in the first place.
I think players might have messed that up when they told Blizz vanilla sucked, they really want TBC, took off with 99% of the players to go beyond the portal and refused to buy clones for Era at $5 a pop and then said Wrath was the best xpac of all time.
And then said Wrath sucks. Because everything sucks. They just like the idea of playing a certain expansion. When the reality hits, it’s just complain, complain, complain. Rinse and repeat.
I think it really comes down to the fact that once Naxx, BT, or ICC is released the content is done. Once everyone has finished with the content they get bored and then start to complain. That’s why I think the whole running it on a cycle is a great idea personally, the main problem that Blizz has created with this model is that people who want to play TBC or Wrath have to wait their turn.
And when a player starts out on #NoChanges Era fresh, gets angry at the lack of changes, they can migrate to these progression realms. That’s the solution, no? It’s either that, or revert the changes already applied to anniversary realms, because the door is open for more changes. Personally I think these types of severs are ripe for the time of community-voted changes we see in other MMO’s but that’s another story.
My point in this post was never to advocate for more and more changes. I happen to want more changes, I’ve made that known above with examples. But the point of the post was to make a point that the community might benefit from a divorce between the purists and the rest. I’m still here, playing and enjoying the game on these new realms, despite areas I think are lacking due to the accelerated content releases and feeling like I’ve over played SOME version of classic (be it true, pure Vanilla or the insanity of SoD) since 2019.
But…it’s not done. These servers are progressing to TBC.
I do understand not wanting to wait for your preferred expansion, but is it better to split up players even more? Maybe, maybe not. And that’s not really the issue. You can have a cycle that’s still authentic. And personally, I don’t see much of a future for myself when these servers eventually hit Wrath. I hate what the Classic team did to that expansion. Mythic dungeons is the antithesis of the Wrath experience. But I’m getting off-topic now.
I may have confused you with another poster. I have a lot of conversations going on.
It might not have been obvious in my original post, I’m sure I didn’t completely turn off my bias when making it. But I WANT you folks to be heard. I am a #somechanges person who is genuinely upset with Blizz for not giving you guys fresh era
-tbc gets announced, perfect time for fresh era! Nah, we won’t give it to you
-wrath gets announced, perfect time for fresh era! Nah, not now
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Nothing, and now people feel compelled to play here because it’s fresh and close enough to pure to play on, but not close enough to pure to not panic on the forms (rightfully so, or not). It’s crap. It’s cutting in to the people who’ve been crying out for TBC for a long time now, and it’s cutting in to the people who want fresh #nochanges. This might be, in my opinion, the best case there is to intentionally fragment the community. Vanilla deserves a time capsule with fresh experiences, and these realms failed in doing that. Here, I’ll piss off the TBC people for a minute- I can’t wait for these servers to progress into TBC and I loathe the idea of a permanent TBC server, I want to play the originally trilogy on progression servers till the day I die. Now I’ve gone and made em all mad
remember correlation =/= causation
and it was never their intention in the first place.