Does Horde actually want this race as a playable option?
Horde needed a short race.
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In what context? From Cataclysm onwards? Yes, apparently so…
In Classic+. New races are a possibility and alliance clearly would get high elves, horde would likely get goblins.
Oh! Well, that changes the context quite a bit. It’s a good question then…
I would personally say no, Goblins don’t belong in Classic+. In my mind Classic+ changes very little, if anything about Vanilla classes, but rather would be additive content, not races, racials, nor new race/class combinations. But that’s me.
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For the most part I agree. However certain races I would say you are correct in that they dont really fit in but I do think goblin and high elves do. I also think new race/class combinations would be good too.
To be sure, I don’t think there’s a “correct” here. It’s just my personal opinion. I’m sure there are so many personal opinions on what Classic+ could be that there are maybe even more versions that there are people who would play them!
My thoughts here are that Retail has this, and Retail is a very reasonable version of Classic+ for people who want such things. I don’t think that high elves (basically what? Exactly the same model as blood elves? Even moresore than Void Elves already are?) belong in Retail, much less Classic, but at some point they’ll probably add them the Retail, though we already have Void Elves and Blood Elves, so maybe for lore fanatics there’s some value in adding them, but I don’t see what it is for anyone who doesn’t care about lore/semantics.
Anyway, do note that for me, I think Retail is a good game, and there are lines I don’t think Classic should cross. My evaluation process is something like, if I am going to tolerate this in Classic, why wouldn’t I just play Retail then? If I don’t have a reasonable answer to that question, then I’d probably opt out.
I very much dislike retail and I would say as far as the models, they would use the same models that are already currently in vanilla, not the blood elf ones nor the retail goblins.
Which ones are high elves and not blood elves in Vanilla?
I do hold the same perspective about using Vanilla models for Classic+ as you. Other than the models though, what do you dislike about Retail? Is it the class balance, or all the QoL for automated group making? The scaling? The various additional types of content?
I’d say that something that probably gets somewhat tiresome in Retail is if you’re pushing competitive content, you’re always at the level of pushing your limits… this seems to be true of a lot of modern games with competitive matchmaking.
Better than blood elves.
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quel danil lodge, are high elves. I dislike the talent trees, the play style, the art work feels very disney, every class being able to do everything everyone else can, zero world pvp, flying mounts,
So, exactly the Blood Elf model…
Fair enough. Personally, the “art work feels very Disney” type argument, while something I’ve heard here and there, seems a bit off, since Vanilla is also very cartoony. But I get the sentiment, and I also prefer the older models.
The talent tree one is pretty subjective, but I also share your sentiment here.
Not so sure how I feel about the playstyle and the variety of abilities classes have, as this has also greatly improved balance across specs (something I don’t personally think is desirable, but I dislike reading all the complaints about balance, so…).
And flying mounts! Idk if ironic is the right word, but while the world has gotten larger, and we have more tools for traversing it, it seems less alive… so yeah, that’s an interesting one. I also didn’t like Dragon Flying for the first few minutes, but once I got used to it, I find it a lot better. So, at least for me, I kind of think it’s fun.
I think M+ is enjoyable, and Retail certainly has a lot of (if not all) of the “QoL improvements” people have asked for on these forums, so at least in that regard, it’s something we can look at and say, “There it is! Is that what you want?”
[Adon Classic - High elf - Warcraft Wiki - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft](https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/High_elf#/media/File:Adon_Classic.jpg)
Yes, I realize it says “high elf.” The model is a Blood Elf model. You can call it whatever you’d like, but it still looks the same.
look at the images, those are not the bloodelves from tbc. they are basically just pale night elves. plus there is a huge lore distinction between the two. But we are supposed to be talking about goblins here!
Well, maybe I am unable to see what you are seeing, but they look like the Blood Elves from TBC to me, and not like pale Night Elves.
I can understand that this could be a compelling reason for those who care about the lore, and I don’t mean to detract from that in any way.
Yes, you’re absolutely right! Personally, it’s a no from me, if I’m given a vote, but that’s just my opinion. Of course, I’m more open to various experimentation with “Season of…” variants than I am with an ideal like Classic+.
EDIT:
WRT to the models, it does seem to depend on which one(s) we look at. This one looks like a pale Night Elf (to me):
Others look like Blood Elves (to me):
Indeed.
Why any retread playables at all for mythical C+?
Let’s have something completely different.
Furbolg for Alliance and Naga for Horde.
Are you threatening me?!?!?!
Sit down, Cornholio.
I think thats where they got the goblin zeppelin quote from in wc3.