Abomb dropping truth bombs.
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Nothing says you canât fart in public yet IT IS RUDE! So is joining a BG without at least mediocre gear.
Sub 100k is a carry in most cases. Sub 50k is a carry in all cases.
Many of these yahoos also wonât target the healers.
So if you fart in public or join a BG with less than 50k Iâm going to say something.
AhâŚno.
Especially not in an environment where you donât need to PVP for PVP gear. I didnât do BGâs till I knew i was reasonably geared. What theyâre doing is incredibly selfish.
Or at least thatâs how it is when literally the only thing that matters in a random BG is who wins. Got a brawl this week with a quest? Too bad, have to win. Doesnât matter if you lose repeatedly, you have to win one.
I actually proposed a system elsewhere in this forum which would reward players for participating in BGâs, and then further reward them based on how well their team performed, with the actual victory being a fairly minor bonus, but in the 15+ years WoW has been around Blizzard never thought it necessary.
So a participation trophy. No ty
That wasnât the case when we had real PVP gear. PVE to PVP the last four years has ruined that.
Separate the gear again, so people can PVP to PVP again and not be called out for not having done enough PVE to even enter a random BG.
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People joining Bgs after just dinging max level was bad every expansion, minus Legion.
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I remember hitting max lvl and having a few pieces of decent pvp gear from doing bgs before max and some crafted boe to fill the gaps.
Was a ton of fun the last bg you lvled up in with a full set of gear.
There is NEVER a time when any deserve negative comments about themselves to be endured openly. There is never a time when any earn the right to not be respectful towards others.
You are either a civil and respectful person or you are not. None change that but you.
That said- queing with random people, you gain random results. If you are incapable of controlling your emotions, or suffering a defeat gracefully, perhaps donât pvp.
TRUE strength is not in skill alone. Offering respect towards others is. Winning with humility, and losing with grace is. I see more strength in under geared players than those fully geared every day.
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Whatâs wrong with that? They have every right to be in that BG as much as you do. Gear isnât a moral pre-requisite.
If you care so much, then go into a bracket where you can control it, like Rated.
Imagine being so delude of logic and resulting to berating new players or new characters from joining an open queue.
In the hundreds of years sports has been around, nobody has ever thought it was a good idea to implement rewards for losing.
Seems like you and your idea is the common denominator.
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Would you degrade an 18 year old because the money they make does not participate as well as a 40 year old (deep into their career), into the economy when supporting local/country owned businesses?
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The reasons he gives is the reason why pvp is dying. They can say â Well Do x and y before you do z,â but the point they canât grasp is, sometimes people want to just play the game. So when no one else is left to pvp with or against, should of just enjoyed the game in the first place.
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There is this league called the NFL. Perhaps youâve heard of it.
Profit sharing and draft picks being awarded to the LOSING teams clearly shred your argument.
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I came back to WoW three months ago and wanted to get to at least 350K before doing BGs. Even with nearly 400K all from gear doing world quests, I still get insta gibbed if I donât have any CDs or feel it isnât worth it to blow CDs in some situations.
I can understand the frustration but it evens out if the other team has undergeared players as well. However the lower level gear disparity happens too often Alliance side which is a lot to overcome especially having a string of losses because of it.
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Iâve got no complaints with people for having mediocre gear, but sub 100k is like leaving an upper decker in a friendâs bathroom. Câmon
There is no rule that says you have to let the tank pull in a raid but you do it to be polite and to successfully achieve a goal. I assumed people queued random battlegrounds to try and win. This forum is making me second guess that assumption.
And while i will say something about people with basically no gear I donât resort to verbal attacks, vote to kick gearless players, nor will I harp about it in chat. I find my comments are best received when i donât even call out the player by name. I just state that queuing with REALLY low gear reduces the entire teamâs chance of winning.
Is the 18 year old trying to spend money like a 40 year old? Are they whining that they canât?
Quite the opposite, the changes would only apply to random BGâs, not ranked. The cliff notes-
1: Players now have a hidden âparticipationâ score based on a variety of factors- DPS, healing, damage received, along with softer numbers like time spent around a flag on AB-style maps or time holding the flag for WSG style maps. If your participation score is too far outside the norm, youâll get less than 100% of the rewards, win or lose.
2: Teams earn rewards based on their score first, and whether or not they win or lose second. A buzzer-beating 5 point victory does get you rewarded for it, but not to the degree that the losing team is seriously burned for it.
3: Rewards are standardized based on time spent in a BG. Sixty minutes spent in AV gets you the same- rough- reward as spending 10 minutes in each of six different WSG matches. Youâre no longer penalized when your team loses slowly instead of losing as quickly as possible to jump in another game.
Basically it hits my three big issues with random battlegrounds-
1: People arenât punished for sitting around doing literally nothing.
2: Once it becomes clear you wonât win easily, and wont win without a serious, herculean effort, many people just want to lose as fast as possible because the system encourages it.
3: There isnât enough encouragement to lose âwith graceâ.
itâs rude of course, and youâre going to run into lots of rude people in wow
hard to control rudeness in a game, right now most games set it to a certain level of rudeness severity before it gets punished - basically due to it being reported
so just report it and move on
One thing I havenât seen mentioned in this thread is the sub 30 vs the 30+ honor level bracket. My take on this topic is that being angry at low geared people in the 30+ bracket is perhaps a little more justified because if theyâre that experienced in PvP you would think they would know better. But the sub 30 bracket is where people new to PvP first experience how battlegrounds work. I think shaming them would be counterproductive and might even drive them from PvP altogether.
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Fixed that for you.
Contracts are contracts.
Getting paid to play and being paid to lose are two different things and it doesnât happen in sports.
When you lose; come last in a bracket, you donât receive an 8th place reward.
Lets set the foundation.
Weâre complaining about people with no gear because they canât pull the numbers you deem appropriate to put into the battleground and the scenarios within.
How is an 18 year old going to put appropriate numbers back into the economy in comparison to a 40 year old?
How is a 430 ilv playing going to put the damage/healing into the fight for a base/flag in comparison to some at 470?
Why am I having to deconstruct and do the critical thinking for you if you feel so opinionated on this topic to voice yourself.
You arenât thinking about the why, youâre doing what everybody else and just thinking about the what.
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Itâs not though. If your team loses, you donât get CP. you still get honor and w/e else.