Do people really think if LFR was removed that more people would raid?

The problem was that 10 man- at least nominally- was supposed to be the ‘easier’ raid mode.

LFR was explicitly added to make sure people who otherwise wouldn’t raid could still see the content. You’re just wrong on this point.

Heroic dungeons drop gear intended for normal raiding.

Sure, but that doesn’t mean a group would take you if that’s all you had. Especially if you’re also not a FOTM class/spec.

Because

Like you said here, 10 man was supposed to be the “easier” raid mode, but like was said here:

I mean you guys are literally just making the case for me, yes, that is what happened, thank you lol.

I wonder why Blizzard would introduce an “easier” raid mode after they completely obliterated the old one, that’s crazy :thinking:

You will always have people who try to contribute the bare minimum themselves while expecting to be carried by people who are bringing way more to the table.

If that bothers you, make your own group.

My own solution was to just make LFR a queueable 10 man normal raid. Because the problem was never the queuing system, it was the fact that LFR is awful.

I don’t know if you understand how arguments work but people who otherwise were raiding but were already committed to a 25 man raid are not ‘non-raiders.’

That is absolutely not what was happening. Most guilds were nowhere near being able to recruit 25+ people (because you need bench players) to raid consistently, it was way too difficult to recruit for and many 10 man guilds from Wrath completely dissolved in Cataclysm because of this. People were left with the choice of either trying to find an already established 25 man guild and being on the bench, or quitting the game. Lots of people just quit the game instead. This is why there was such a huge drop in raiding participation numbers in Cataclysm compared to Wrath.

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No, but I think there would be more raiders if LFR had never been added to begin with.

They should have queues for all non-mythic content.

No, not really. Most of us who do LFR aren’t in raiding guild and just want to see the story. Gear is a second thought.

No if LFR is removed, there will be less people willing to raid.

LFR isn’t raiding.

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People do LFR to see if they like raiding, some will continue most dont. Only 1% of pop like raid in original Vanila wow.

Dont know, dont care…most of the time if one is dps its actually faster and easier to do normal…but in the end it won’t effect my game play either way

LFR’s main appeal to me is that it bypasses the Human Matchmaking Element that plagues this game’s other game formats where people’s expectaitons inflate astronomically the moment the rubber hits the road.

Honestly FF Has spoiled me when it comes to matchmade content. Raids there feel reasonable enough to do with strangers but also make me have to exert effort so that I don’t fall asleep at the wheel.

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LMFAO a story mode you say. LFR is a still a raid just easier and with lower quality loot and no organization. Here is a copy paste for you and it’s the same thing.

“a raid is a type of mission in massively multiplayer online role-playing games where a number of people attempt to defeat either: another number of people at player-vs-player, a series of computer-controlled enemies in a player-vs-environment battlefield, or a very powerful boss.”

Whatever you say sweetheart, you go have fun playing raider. It’s fun to pretend. :smiling_face:

Nobody is pretending kid. I’m just here to correct your ridiculous old school WoW mentality with facts. I have 11 hours to kill while knocking you off the pedestal you put yourself on.

If you dont run LFR and you have a good group of friends/guildies then why do you care what people you don’t play with do. A story mode is called scenarios. Just because you have a quest to kill a raid boss so you can continue a quest, it doesn’t make it a story mode.

Stay humble and stop the toxic mentality.

I think they should add all past raids to LFR.

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This would be cool.

I don’t think people would stop raiding without LFR but I also don’t think LFR raiders would then joining guilds and start raiding either.

I think overall you would see a drastic drop in raid participation stats which would make it much more difficult to justify the LARGE emphasis that WoW developers place on Raiding.

Basically, I think LFR does more good for raiding than “Raiders” would like to admit or maybe understand.

I for one only run LFR mostly because over the last 15’ish years every guild I have joined minus my own has had either major drama or it was heavily tilted towards a specific set of people and everyone else was there to serve “the core groups” purposes.

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No you haven’t.

This is just an urban legend that people make up and regurgitate regularly.

Servers actually had people on them back in LK.

This isn’t the case these days on a lot of servers.

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