**Do not** walk back feral changes

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Lley-pagle

Even if the strength of the change was unintended.

It wasn’t. It’s inline with what they stated. If anything, it’s less than they stated.

@Aggrend-1483

With this adjustment we expect that the best Feral DPS players in the world may expect somewhere between a 5% and 10% damage increase depending on the encounter while no longer requiring shifting into bear form to optimize output and will provide an even larger percentage increase in the damage output of those players who were not employing the Bearweaving rotation prior to this change.

[Auras-thrall]

cool. so maybe its time to revisit more ret paladin buffs considering theyre still significantly behind even fury warriors who are on suicide watch right now

[Abralan-benediction]

@Tesalyn-pagle

While that 2 dudes/dudettes are spamming forums with an army of alts to nerf Ferals, it’s okay to share the other side.

stop shilling for an insane buff

ferals are now barely behind assassination in the #2 slot on any non-hodir offball mechanic fight, have insane utility like innervate, brez, crit buff, bleed buff, and quick offtanking abilities, and will scale to be #1.

Clearly not thought out by blizzard. Its a 12% buff for the top .1% end and close to 30% buff for more average players. If they gave warriors a 30% dmg buff you’d likely be upset and that is with warriors having no utility, lmao. IMAGINE IF THEY HAD UTILITY TOO.

[Torngaurd-faerlina]

where are you getting this info from? Ive yet to see a single feral top 20 dps for any boss in ulduar.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Abralan-benediction

IMAGINE IF THEY HAD UTILITY TOO.

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1017#boss=747

lmao. Here are XT 25 top charts.
go find a druid…no? But there are 11 warriors.

And for Hodir, warriors are literally identical to Ferals.

So, where are you getting this info from that Ferals are dominating meters?
Because Im not seeing this at all.

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Torngaurd-faerlina

where are you getting this info from?

I’d really like to know this, too!

@Abralan-benediction

Its a 12% buff for the top .1% end and close to 30% buff for more average players.

I could be wrong, but the way that I’m reading the data it looks like it’s closer to around 10% at the bottom end and around 4% at the top end…

@Frosto-faerlina

I’m not a log expert. How would I tune the data to show what you’re stating?

It seems that if I look at say All Percentiles and compare over a range of 2 weeks with over a range of 1 day, I see the following differences:

All Bosses Over a Range of 2 Weeks:
Min: 42.31
Median: 61.94
Max: 82.88

All Bosses Over a Range of 1 Day:
Min: 45.39
Median: 66.37
Max: 85.98

What exactly are you suggesting that we look at? Perhaps a more stationary fight like Ignis?

Ignis Over a Range of 2 Weeks:
Min: 5,153.58
Median: 7,170.34
Max: 9,175.44

Ignis Over a Range of 1 Day:
Min: 5,745.26
Median: 7,895.88
Max: 9,703.35

I suppose you’re looking at very different things! Perhaps you could elaborate and educate us on what to look at in the logs to better understand why:

@Frosto-faerlina

Algalon Over a Range of 2 Weeks:
Min: 5452.12
Median: 7197.60
Max: 8856.41

Algalon Over a Range of 1 Day:
Min: 6045.53
Median: 7834.96
Max: 9193.87

And considering they stated:

@Aggrend-1483

With this adjustment we expect that the best Feral DPS players in the world may expect somewhere between a 5% and 10% damage increase depending on the encounter while no longer requiring shifting into bear form to optimize output and will provide an even larger percentage increase in the damage output of those players who were not employing the Bearweaving rotation prior to this change.

If anything, the increase in feral damage is less than intended, from what I can tell.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Frosto-faerlina

@Frosto-faerlina

Algalon Over a Range of 2 Weeks:

Min: 5452.12
Median: 7197.60
Max: 8856.41

Algalon Over a Range of 1 Day:
Min: 6045.53
Median: 7834.96
Max: 9193.87

And considering they stated:

@Aggrend-1483

With this adjustment we expect that the best Feral DPS players in the world may expect somewhere between a 5% and 10% damage increase depending on the encounter while no longer requiring shifting into bear form to optimize output and will provide an even larger percentage increase in the damage output of those players who were not employing the Bearweaving rotation prior to this change.

If anything, the increase in feral damage is less than intended, from what I can tell.

It’s actually like nearly perfect 10% indeed. They eyeballed it pretty well. 7-10%

I went over logs of all bosses. Some fights warriors are ahead. Some fights warriros & ferals are identical. Some fights warriors are 600-1k behind ferals.

Nothing to cry over.

[Kyoishot-faerlina]

Bro you pick out the top 0.1% of players and ignore the 80 to 99th percentile acting like the top 0.1% isn’t polluted by degenerate parsing strats.
It doesn’t matter if a warrior who is single-handly cleaving sparks on XT is beating ferals who cant cleave sparks because they die too fast in a normal raid. Stop spreading misinformation. Ferals are miles ahead of warriors in almost any avg or above avg raid. I agree they don’t need to be reverted but Fury does need a buff.

[Abralan-benediction]

@Frosto-faerlina

I could be wrong, but the way that I’m reading the data it looks like it’s closer to around 10% at the bottom end and around 4% at the top end

this is from straight comparing logs of people, feral is now about in line with assassination rogue in damage. Filtering ulduar fights by 1 day, its basically #2 right on assassination’s tail on every fight, and theyre both at the top of any fight that isnt hodir/vezax style mechanics.

SOmeone on this forum the other day did a detailed breakdown of the #2 overall feral and in one raid he went up an average of 12% damage. Ive seen other less sweaty ferals gaining wayyyy more than 12%.

Its a ton of energy every fairy fire, it was obviously going to be busted.

[Frosto-faerlina]

@Abralan-benediction

Filtering ulduar fights by 1 day, its basically #2 right on assassination’s tail on every fight, and theyre both at the top of any fight that isnt hodir/vezax style mechanics.

This doesn’t seem consistent with warcraftlogs. What are you looking at that shows Feral as #2 on every fight other than hodir/vezax?

This is using WarcraftLogs and based on all percentiles.

Range	2 weeks	1 day
Ignis	6th	2nd
Razorscale	12th	7th
XT	7th	3rd
Iron Council	13th	3rd
Kologarn	20th	20th
Auriaya	8th	3rd
Thorim	7th	3rd
Freya	6th	2nd
Mimiron	18th	13th
Vezax	10th	12th
Yogg	19th	10th
Algalon	6th	2nd

I’m interested in what you information you are viewing and/or how it is suggesting something different from what I’m seeing.

[Esann-moon-guard]

Anything below 80-90th percentile contains either bad players or undergeared GDKP buyers and isn’t representative of the class/spec’s performance at all.
The buff might have to be walked back or retuned later because currently Feral will be the #1 melee mid-TotC already and Warriors and other specs will NEVER catch up to them, even in ICC hm bis Shadowmourne included.

[Doingitlive-westfall]

I hope they keep the feral buff, we’ve already started stacking them to make hard mode content a joke. The ferals get to brag about how “leet” they are and we get loot… win/win.

[Bh-azralon]

Warriors are mad to not be the FOTM anymore…. MMO ego is fun…

[Heydownthere-arugal]

I don’t see an issue, leave the change as it is I agree.

[Lolmaru-benediction]

And 90% of the time the people crying nerfs aren’t even good. Lol.

[Lolmaru-benediction]

News flash. Hard mode content is already a joke.

[Lolmaru-benediction]

And what’s your point ?

[Riger-arugal]

@Bh-azralon

Warriors are mad to not be the FOTM anymore

Dude, been a while since Warriors were FOTM. I know you’re still hanging on to that but we’re not. Most of the FoTMers have long since rolled DKs dude.

Honestly the most disturbing and interesting part of this for me has been how pervasive and strong the anti Warrior bias is. You really feel hurt don’t you?

[Woopee-mankrik]

Buffed feral instantly overtook warriors on XT, which is the 2nd best fight for fury.

@Tesalyn-pagle

Some fights warriors are ahead. Some fights warriros & ferals are identical. Some fights warriors are 600-1k behind ferals.

It was like that before the buff. Feral was already middle of the pack or better on many encounters. Warriors are now only better on Kologarn.

[Tesalyn-pagle]

@Kyoishot-faerlina

almost any avg or above avg raid

Averages don’t matter.
Why do you look at crappy players to make a decision on what needs to be buffed or nerfed?

Averages/medians do not matter. They never did. They never will.

@Woopee-mankrik

buff

Devs gave their reasoning for the buff.
The gameplay for a feral was unnecessarily over complicated and the only way to parse was to actually press all 18 buttons. Warriors, to parse, only need to press 5.