why don’t u just unsub
Is the worst response to any complaint anyone has on these forums.
- This is what forums are for.
- WoW belongs to us, not the current Blizzard employees who will soon be fired for making bad and illegal decisions within the company.
“Blizzard Employees” come and go, some make good decisions, some make bad (the current ones are bad and NEED TO GO), but how many of us have played WoW for over a decade?
This our game, but we have to fight for it. You have to fight a little for anything cool. Stop shilling for these recently hired Blizzard employees immediately, or the game will never improve. Stop giving them free wins on these forums. Botting is obviously bad and anyone within Blizzard who is complicit with the practice of botting should be fired immediately.
I have unsubbed because I can’t find joy in PvP against fake players, that isn’t PvP, and the game isn’t fun if it’s not real players - I need to know they are real, or it’s PvE and not worth $15/mo.
The best solution is to KEEP your sub and FIGHT these idiots within Blizzard, and their minions on the forums who are supporting botting.
Remember that someone telling you to unsub is one of the worst takes imaginable considering the reality that WE OWN THIS GAME (we got Classic, didn’t we? Pony tail told us we think we want it but we dont remember? Our game.) and the forums are for organizing complaints.
Not all complaints are valid, but the one against botting is. If they continue to collect $15/month while marketing PvBot as PvP we can escalate our forum movement to a class action and seek back payments for all months they falsely advertised features as PvP when they aren’t.
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Dude, seriously? You think someone is going to organize a class action lawsuit against Blizzard over bots? LMAO!
Yes, the game is overrun with bots. I suspended my auto-renewal of my two WoW accounts (they end in April). Not sure if I will resubscribe given the terrible support for WotLK Classic.
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While I 1000% agree with bots being a massive issue and not worth spending the 15/month for to play BG’s that are practically PVE, I do question the above. We have been actively fighting Blizzard for ages on various topics, and very few have we won the battle over. Not saying we should stop trying, but at what point DO we stop fighting, and unsub instead of continuing to give them money in hopes of them one day restoring the game to a state we know and love?
I personally don’t find appeal in supporting a product the consumer is unhappy with, so I’m curious why keep the sub and keep fighting when we’ve been fighting for various things for some time now. When has it been long enough to warrant admitting defeat.
There’s an old saying “Vote with your wallet.” The only language Blizzard listens to is money. If you keep paying for a subpar product, they have no reason to change it, they’re still getting your money regardless if you’re unhappy or not. If subs plummet enough, they’ll eventually get it through their head that their management of service has been an absolute joke and their players are unhappy. A company doesn’t care if customers are unhappy, as long as the customer keeps paying.
the sad thing is that i cant unsub because i have joy playing with 4 friends every saturday and do some arenas with my friend xero, but the thing is, sometimes i have free time in the weeks and want to do a solo bg and get crushed because of bots, its like: i want the game working but i dont want to stop playing because of that.
People must think this because we know wotlk is a limited edition, in a few months its over and that’s it, u cant enjoy again, to be completely honest, i hate retail, when wotlk ends im not gonna play any other wow expansion
At that point I’d say it comes down to what do you value more? Those 4 Saturday’s a month hanging with friends and pvping, or your 15 dollars? Do you feel like the product overall is subpar, even if you have an element that you enjoy? Personally me, the only reason I’m still subbed is I raid on my main each week and that’s it. I spend 15/month to play the game 6 hours a week. If my guild were to fall apart tonight, I’d unsub immediately because of the rest of the game is in a horrible state. For me, the product is subpar, but I stay because of the few people I enjoy playing with. If not for them, I’d unsub and not look back. Rather go play on a PR at that point. Sad that PR’s have been able to give me a better gaming and customer support experience than Blizzard did.
my sub is not 15 dollars, i live in brazil and here is almost 50 bucks to play this horrible game lol
i dont do pve, but trust me, the saturdays with the friends are really nice, the laugh and arenas and fighing at discord are nice, but at the same time i like to solo bg to get my mind busy
Well, as long as you feel you’re getting you’re money’s worth out of the game, by all means, continue to enjoy! I guess my initial message was aimed at those who really don’t have too much in the game that interests them and are unhappy with the game’s overall state. The amount of crap talking people do on the forum, I have to wonder why half the forum is still even subbed. I can only assume they’re people like use who stick around for 1-2 very specific things, if not for those specific elements, they’d likely also unsub.
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If you actively queue up with a friend in PvP, you and your friend are real humans, but you’re still playing against bots.
You’re playing a co-op multiplayer PvE game illegally marketed as an online PvP game.
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I agree with all the posts u are doing, just to be clear <3
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I think this is the 3rd time OP has made this thread that I’ve seen.
Spam much?
Every visible post on the front page of the forums right now should be titled:
BETWEEN HUMAN PLAYERS
with demands to restore PvP in this game. There should be hundreds or even thousands of likes on each post, and if Blue continues to not respond to any of them with over 1k likes on those posts, we can then take it to Discord or Email to escalate the class action lawsuit.
If there are literally thousands of people all independently saying the same thing, and all of us are reasonably showing that it is “likelier than not” (legal evidence) that PvP is in fact usually against a non-player bot and not a human player then they won’t win.
It wouldn’t even go to trial because they would just immediately fix the problem.
So I’m curious, who’s paying the legal fees to escalate this to a class action lawsuit? I’ve seen you say this on the forums a number of times now, and while we disagree on if anything would even happen, let’s say it did, you flippin the legal expenses? I’d imagine Blizzard has much more expendable money they’d be able to spend in legal fees than the average player. Or are we suppose to all pitch in and help, when it’s actually cheaper for us to just unsub and play something else? Class actions are only free of expenses IF you win after all.
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When plaintiffs win a class action lawsuit, or when they secure a settlement with the defendant, legal fees and court costs are typically included in their award. This award is known as the “common fund,” from which these legal fees, as well as recovery for Class Members, is paid.
In the vast majority of mass tort claims, attorneys are paid on a contingency fee basis. As explained by the American Bar Association, a contingency fee arrangement is one in which lawyers are only paid if they obtain successful results.
The first step is organizing ourselves and refining the case. No money needs to be paid up front, a lawyer with dollar signs in their eyes just needs to see the ez win, but we need more support (a larger class) than what we have right now.
Right but we’re assuming it gets taken on and escalated. Don’t think Blizzard would settle something they (in my personally belief) are likely to win. You have to consider both situations, either you win the trial or they settle and pay nothing, OR you lose/they don’t settle and you have to pay. Soooo who’s paying if it’s a loss?
And your solution is to spam the forums repeatedly with the same thread and an attempt at switching around a few words to try to sell it as a “new topic” …
Unless you’re an attorney or have a degree in law, then please sit down and be quiet.
Maybe you should go play an actual PvP game.
If we’re speculating, I think they’d immediately resolve the bot problem if even a few posts here had 1k+ likes on the issue, long before a class action lawsuit ever materialized. A class action lawsuit is only as powerful as the size of the class claiming damages; if the number of people agreeing they’re violating the law continues to grow to a point, they would intervene and fix the issue, probably do an Asmongold video, and champion the whole idea.
But the threat of a real lawsuit has to be there, and continue to grow in order to truly apply that pressure to get them to change their practices. And we especially should not shill for Blizzard. The employees of Blizzard are just people like you & I who in some cases know less about WoW than you & I do. They should be purged from the company for ruining the product in exchange for short-term profits.
I think with thousands of players claiming deceitful marketing practices around the wording of “PvP” with it being bots and not human players, it would be very hard for them to argue against the entire class and what we think. Epic Games just paid $500M in a deceitful marketing case, and Blizzard has been in trouble for it with a Diablo game item, and with the nature of their Hearthstone packs (sued by an individual guy in Arizona). These aren’t unheard of.
That’s a lot to read. Just answer the question.
It gets taken to court, Blizzard wins. Who pays?
It would be kind of nice if he tried to file the class action lawsuit so then we can read about someone playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes.
Even though to lose a class action lawsuit means that no Class Members or plaintiffs will be compensated for the damages they’ve experienced, the good news is that the Class Members do not take on the responsibility of compensating the other side for legal fees.
On top of this, attorneys will generally agree to take class action cases on what is considered a “contingent fee basis,” meaning that an attorney will agree to a fixed percentage of an award that is agreed upon, but no fee if the lawsuit is lost.
There is no monetary loss for individual Class Members upon losing a class action lawsuit—only the fact that they cannot recover compensation for any damages.
It’s not that long, read faster. You’re asking questions that require clarification.