i agree. 90% of the time i don’t even think about Hymn. But reading your posts, and looking at fights on youtube, i can see that there are a decent amount of uses as you climb
Make Divine Hymn talent a node choice → One is the OG divine hymn, the other an M+ version that you just press it and get 30% increased healing…
The idea of having to overheal a channeling spell 8s before dmg to just get the increased healing is just bad design for me.
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You’re using it wrong. I don’t know what clearer language I can use for you.
literally u just said “the healing isn’t the point” but the healing buff it gives.
So basically half of the ability is worthless… great design!
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You’re the one several times that indicated you are using it as throughput for AOE events. You’re using it wrong and aren’t planning for damage events properly.
Uhmm, I’m not? I even said I don’t run the talent.
I just tested once, the healing was useless so I just left a feedback on the priest forum requesting a buff to the healing this spell does, considering it’s a channeled ability, on a 3 min cd where you have to be stuck on the ground for 8s to get max value.
And for some reason, you don’t want the spell buffed even tho half of what the spell does as you said is useless and only overheal through the whole channel to have a 20-30% extra healing.
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I didn’t say its useless, I said you don’t have a clue how to use it.
Pairing Archon → Halo while channeling Hymn is so strong. The halo keeps pulsing out while the stacks keep going up, covering the whole raid/party in buffed healing.
You’re essentially double dipping. But the healing alone from Hymn just isn’t enough to counter damage outputs on certain fights.
I think that’s the rift between a couple people here and the OP. Divine Hymn used to be super powerful back in the day, healing-wise. Even had a much longer CD. The drawback was the cooldown.
Now, it’s really just used to increase healing taken in order to power up other spells (apparently). I guess Holy Word: Salvation kind of took over the niche of being a big raid CD you press for actual healing. With a huge cooldown by modern day standards too (with CDR). Of course, you’d never take Salvation into a Mythic+ dungeon and lose out on Apotheosis.
They only added the Divine Hymn stacking healing bonus and the Symbol of Hope we have now back in Shadowlands because Holy Priests had no raid utility.
Even then: Divine Hymn barely moved hp bars in SL and DF dungeons. With the 400% boost it does roughly 5-6 mil overall healing. It’s not great; it’s not bad, but at the end of the day it’s a tool for your toolkit. Holy right now is much more dependent on healing cooldowns then anytime in its history. You have to pre-plan and stagger out your cds in order to heal every mechanic on a boss fight and some of the trash pulls.
You just don’t really need Divine Hymn unless the healing check is insanely high like a +10 Stitchfest or some of the bosses in CoT. You get both Tyrannical + Fortified on a +10 so the difficulty is always the same.
The biggest handicap to Divine Hymn if anything is the 3 minute cooldown.
Yeah, and small modifying talents like Pontifex and Resonant Words which I find hard to play around. Not to mention maximizing the benefit of Divine Image. Holy can be pretty tricky when you actually try to min/max your gameplay.
Does Divine image capture Hymn? I’ve always wondered…
It say’s any healing or damage spell, so i always assumed.
Divine Images IIRC triggers Dazzling Lights (same heal from CoH and PoH) each time Divine Hymn ticks.
Yes, we need a talent tree revamp. It’s too hard to budget for Pontifex and Resonant Words.
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He is using the spell the correct way it just has the pesky problem that it’s useless when used correctly.
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You’re well within your rights to be absolutely wrong I guess.
I’m absolutely right. If you use the spell as intended it’s useless. If you use it in an unintuitive and unintended way it’s amazing. The spell is intended to heal first and foremost.
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You’re both wrong and I’m not convinced that either of you can even read. Oh well. Keep using it wrong or just don’t talent into it. No one is forcing you to take a talent you have no idea how to utilize correctly. In fact, its better that way so you aren’t trolling your keys.
How am I wrong and how am I using it wrong. I never said I was using it to heal but somehow you came to that conclusion out of thin air. Hell I clearly implied that I don’t use it that way just by the wording.
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I assume since you are agreeing with how he uses it you are firmly in camp pushes buttons wrong. Like I said, take it - dont take it. I don’t care.
You’re extremely annoying and uninteresting to have discussions with. Why are you even here other than to be rude?
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