First… 1.12.
Second… Reducing PvP in the areas I will be frequenting is a good thing. No PvP to disrupt my PvE experience, please.
in 1.12 we already had the raids, we had the bgs…
what blizzard will give us is how 1.12 classic worked, that includes DHKs, if anything you shouldent ask for the removal or delays of DHKs, you should ask for the CONTENT that existed in 1.12…
for reasons that content is delayed, yet it existed in 1.12…
DHKs as part of the honor system, existed in 1.12…
I will pick and choose the troll posts I like…
This one I like!!!
hey i think retail would be better for you, you dont even have to interact with anyone
Well maybe that ruins the fun for you or deters you from world PvP, kinda sad if you allow such a mechanic that was in vanilla to negatively effect you in such a way.
The rest of the community that enjoys open world PvP will continue on regardless, as there are plenty of open field battles that take place between towns and cities.
Roll up a group of competent players who can use “target assist” and FF single target abilities if you want to fight in towns/cities. Only use AOE root / movement impairing spells, etc.
World PvP may not be for everyone if your so concerned with obtaining DK’s, so fortunately you will have BG’s to fight in as well.
I know I will be enjoying both activities along side a large number of other community members.
Sadly, retail doesn’t have the original zones, quests, or class configurations. Otherwise, I’d be all over it. As it stands, I quit retail due to a number of reasons, and Classic is what I will be playing.
Lucky for me, I’m getting things like layering and right-click report. Who knows what else might creep its way into the game.
I get it.
You believe not having DKs is integral for PvP Phase2 because you want to replicate the period between 1.4 and 1.5 patches. I don’t think it is integral becuase I don’t think Phase 2 is trying to replicate the period between 1.4 and 1.5.
And you will have your honor gains destroyed by a same faction griefer who joins your party to kill NPCs…
I know how to avoid them… stop with the pathetic ad’hom. The point is they were added with BGs they should be added with P3
You presume I would join or allow a pug into my group for world PvP, but yes, I get your gist of what can usually happen when you get random groups and raids forming. All it takes is 1 person on that group/raid to kill an NPC and everyone gets hit with a DK.
If you know how to avoid DK’s and not killing NPC’s, then stop with the over dramatic “it will ruin world PvP!!” attitude. Yes I get it that it was added with BG’s, and as I stated in a prior response in this thread, if they can convince Blizz to change this to phase 3, great!
Regardless of what Blizz decides, I think it’s unhealthy to allow certain decisions they do make or stick with to ruin the enjoyment of what we are given.
For PvP that is exactly what Phase 2 is trying to provide… an Authentic World PvP experience and reward system… DKs diminish that in an unauthentic manner.
I never said it would… I am pointing out the fact that it IS a change. One that WILL have a deep impact on the PvP System.
I think this is a better argument for you because it is more specific:
WorldPvP with the Phase2 honor system will have limited city/town raiding due to the inclusion of DHKs. City raiding is fun and authentic Vanilla experience that was unintentionally reduced with the addition of DHKs. But more importantly City Raiding provided a source of Honor Points. If DHKs are included in Phase2 then the only source of honor points is grinding on other players until Phase3 adds BGs.
Suggestion: Push back DHKs till phase 3 so there is a decent source of honor in phase 2 that also promotes community events like city raiding.
I would half agree with an argument like that.
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You realise that’s literally what you’re trying to do right?
I knew someone would argue like an idiot, this way.
1.12 Systems, phased content.
But…how are we gonna do Baron runs then?
Systems
Content
Experience
From the jump they said that they wanted to DELIVER an authentic experiences while avoiding altering the code.
DKs in Phase 2 is unauthentic. Due to how the ‘content’ was and will be delivered.
Authenticity > Code
I’m not, and never will claim, its hard to do what you want. But what you want is one of a litany of “tiny changes” that people want. And if they implemented all the tiny changes, the game would be unrecognizable as Vanilla.
Given their lack of concrete information on many aspects, they chose to go with Systems at 1.12 instead of changing them progressively. And we’re less than a month away, so if the original DHK thread didn’t change anything, this is going to have less of an effect.
Wrong, it is not a tiny change… it is a major one… one that is not a superfluous cosmetic… It will literally allow people to grief their own faction and have a negative impact on an entire system of the game without an alternative way to play that game.
We have no idea how far away we are from Phase 2 let alone Phase 3
How many layering is broken posts did it take before they “fixed” it???
How have they “fixed” it?
I did not test it but apparently there are now cool downs that prevent or lower an individuals ability to hop layers.