Same playbook as last 4 expansions add no mechanics nerf our numbers make us garbage compared to holy and especially weak vs druids. Go learn Druid at this point spec is going to get damage nerfed as voidweaver and shields destroyed, they buffing our best counters damage. Just uninstall we tried to get a stun and mobility all beta but they won’t give so just roll R Druid or uninstall/give up.
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This energy would have been better spent yelling at clouds
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Yeah playing disc for 20 years was a waste of time. Should of picked Druid or Hpally.
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I understand you’re frustrated, but you’re way off base here.
Disc has been a staple of PvP for a long time. It’s not going anywhere.
It’s funny you bring up Druid because if anything, Druid have been the other most consistent healer in PvP meta throughout the years. Both of which have had similar styles of play every expansion.
It’s going to be okay. Disc will be fine.
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Spoken like a true no nothing dps
Ignore Brandy,
They seem to have a penchant for toxic positivity in every post they make. A contrarian true to heart with “Akchually!” tattoo’d over their chest.
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Aside for very brief moments here and there disc has been a dead pvp spec since Shadowlands with Holy being the dominate healing tree for much of the last 3 expansions.
Disc hasn’t been consistently good in arena for a long long time. Really priest as a whole hasn’t really been in a good spot for a long time due to it’s grandfathered design that blizzard refuses to update meaning the only way it’s ever good is if it’s numbers are high enough, but when they are people piss and moan, blizzard nerfs them and we become irrelevant all over again.
As for druid blizzard has never in the history of this game allowed Resto Druid to be a bad pvp spec for longer than a single patch. It may not of been the best but anytime it wasn’t at least top 3 it has been given buffs. That is the most absolute and guaranteed thing about this game. If you want a safe class play a druid.
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Yall are exhausting.
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You’re right. Everything is bad forever and always. Priest is dead. should probably just delete the class.
Being positive is fine, but you can be positive while still calling a spade a spade. The reality is disc has not had a good design for a long time, I would damn near say since TBC personally, but I know a lot of people enjoyed and had a lot of success with other variations, such as legion, so it would be fair for people to disagree. While that is something that is fair to debate what you can’t debate is the actual success/fail of a spec and right now for a long time disc has had far more failure than success.
Design wise the best iterations, IMO, for each spec was TBC disc, Legion shadow, and Cata holy. Yes they absolutely had problems that needed to be addressed but they actually felt like they had coherent designs that could of been expanded upon. Instead they got gutted and our current design is a graveyard of those ideas with nothing really to tie it together.
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It seems its not fine though. It feels like every time I say anything I have someone responding that I’m being toxic.
I have never once said the class doesn’t have problems. But I’m also not willing to say that a class is unplayable when that isn’t the case.
I’m sorry I’m not mad enough for some of you. But get off my back.
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So let me ask you something. If after 2 months, as the thread implies, the only thing disc is being taken for is it’s obligatory raid spot, that is guaranteed due to atonement mechanics, but no one wants it for pvp, or M+ or really any other content, how would you describe it? How would you describe being told “no we want a different healer” or “will you switch to holy” because that has been a thing that has happened for the past 3 expansions.
Most would call that unplayable as the spec was literally so bad people did not want it outside of the one place it can’t be replaced. Would you call that good, or well designed? Saying something is “unplayable” isn’t just talking about if you can physically play the spec in given content, by that definition you could have a DPS class capable of only putting out 10 damage per second and it would still be playable even though absolutely no one would let you bring it to any form of group content.
When people say unplayable this is what they are talking about. If it helps read it more as “unwanted” or “passed over” or “forced to respec holy” whatever makes it more linguistically palatable to you, but it won’t change the point people are making.
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If an imagined outcome of something that hasn’t happened yet happens, I can revisit my opinion.
But it’s historically inaccurate to say Disc hasn’t been preferable in the past. In 2021, several of the MDI team comps used Disc priest in their teams. If you google tier lists over the years Disc is often wanted for different forms of content.
Has it always the meta in all content at all times? no, but no spec is.
To say it’s been dog water for years is just wrong.
So I just went back and reviewed that MDI, disc was used in 4 total dungeons across 3 days back in 2021, 1 of which was a mirror comp. The only healer comp it beat was the mirror, every other time it lost to the holy paladin. Priest biggest representation there was actually Shadow, not disc, which saw play in most of the dungeons during the 3 day event.
If that is your standard for saying it is “preferable” than I’m just gonna say it, you need higher standards. A tournament in which the only spec disc beats is itself and is taken in like 2% over the course of the entire 3 day series is a rather pathetic showing.
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2021 was the example I gave. I also said tier lists from many creators show it in favorable standing over the years.
I’m not going to go back through the history of the game to try to steer you away from your own views on this. I’m a random person on the internet. You have your view of the game and no matter how much time I spend on a post it’s not going to do much to change your mind.
Please don’t attempt to belittle me in your posts. It’s unwarranted.
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I hate reading the same overly positive takes from people playing low and I mean real low sub 2k in 2V2 meanwhile our spec has never won blizzcon, has sub 2% AWC rep for ten years - most played healer in the game as well. Spec is leashed to jungle and mage rogue (2nd choice under holy priest for that comp). I don’t respect bullish takes on disc at this point if you still defend this then you’re an idiot.
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This is irrelevant as creators tier lists are their own personal opinions and more often then not their opinions get proven wrong. I mean just recently Automaticjak posted a short talking about how Holy Priest would get nerfed before Preservation because he could get up to 1.6m HPS using Oracle, while also making claims like “Archon will scale huge because of raid size” and then the actual content comes out and it isn’t even close to being as strong as he thought it would be and the only changes holy is getting are pvp buffs.
Tier lists are garbage when it comes to determining how good a spec/class is and always have been.
So, in this case your defense and ideas about the spec are based on an inaccurate recalling of MDI representation and routinely disproven opinions of content creators who’s careers are based more on getting clicks than giving out valid and good judgements about the game.
None of this is belittling you, I am challenging your statements and putting you in a position to actually think about what you have said and try to defend why you think Disc, and frankly priest as a whole, have been acceptable from a design and balance stand point over the years. I’m not sitting here thinking I will change your mind, I’m sitting here trying to figure what reasons you have to think the way you do because when I try to see things from your perspective, I simply can’t.
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Whatever you say bud.
Its all opinion on the forums.
Enjoy your echo chamber. I’m done.
Good don’t bother polishing a turd and gaslighting people.
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Not trying to kiss your bum or whatever, (and I have nothing against that other guy) but thank you for your level headed and reasonable posts on these Priest forums.
Some of the things I’ve read on here really just blows my bangs back.
Everything you said makes perfect sense, and you said it all in a respectful enough way, rather than a gaslighty contrarian way. Props.
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