Did you guys like the new Lord of the Rings show?

Elrond is only Half-elven, sometimes a little humanity may shine through the Elf glamour.

That’s what he has to remember because the series is going from bad to worse, how Tolkien’s world died with him and his son and everything you see, even if it has the name of his books, is nothing more than :poop::poop::poop::poop: .

The real life drama of the make believe. She’s a witch!
Reminds me of some WWII movie some years back, with a black actor who played a paratrooper dropped during the start of Dday. Complaints that this was not accurate. But the movie was about some sort of semi horror zombie/vampire enemy. Go figure.

DnD was influenced by many sources. But Tolkien’s MiddleEarth has always had a big impact on mordern fantasy as it were. But there were many other sources used.

in fact Tolkien was the pillar of many medieval fantasy works from DnD to GoT or the Witcher itself.

But the problem is not based on the discrimination of an interracial actor based on a white-appearing character, and that, unlike now, is hypocritical and without shame to governments like the evil government of California tolerates interracial actors so that every actor can be no matter if it is worthy of representing it or not, doing it in vain has been the defense of white whasing that was not worthy with white actors playing interracial characters, rights are for everyone.

It is what Ismael Cruz Cordova ends up not caring about anything more than an egotistical ego of himself in representing himself as him using as a shield that is part of the diversity and inclusion in a conservationist work where the wokes would hate so much, and not as a respective elf of Tolkien’s stories as it has been represented without the need to talk about color, unlike Steve Toussaint who plays a great role and was tolerable in playing Corlys Velaryon acquiring all the facial aspects of the character reflected in the book without the need for color change.

That is the difference between which interracial actors have to think twice if they can represent that character who would also become interracial as well as if he embodies as described in the roots of the works.

You can’t be Batman if you want to just be Adam West like Battison did, you can’t L from Death Note if you harm another interracial character who is a Japanese character.

The Wheel of Time books have an entire world map of different cultures and ethnicities with different traditions, dialects/accents/ foods, everything you’d see in real life. Including huge cities that are melting pots of different races and cultures.

There are the Andorans where the (initial) main cast is from, all white in the books, many other different countries and different looking people from each region in the books.

The dark skinned sea folk. The copper skinned cairheinen. The tanned tairens.

Seanchan is the Asiatic continent/empire of the saga.

There are so many different cultures and races in The Wheel of Time.

The first season of the show is straight up just woke. Going out of the way to not faithfully recreate the story and bragging about it.

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Part of the problem is that if you have a white actor play a non-white character, then it is “white washing” and “racism”, but if you have a non-white person play a white character (even one based on a person who actually existed), then it is “progress” or people who get upset “just need to deal with it because this is how it is now”. The double standard is the biggest problem.

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These are the same people who whine about Disney’s Pocahontas as being bad because it fictionalized the real-life person.

But it’s okay to turn a historically real-life European person into a minority in a tv show or movie? That doesn’t make sense.

And I love Disney’s Pochahontas, it is perhaps my favorite Disney movie growing up as a kid, and I feel sad when people complain about it not being historically accurate. Well, duh, it’s an animated musical; it’s not supposed to be accurate! Animated adaptations of real-life stories have been done before, and nobody had a problem with them, but when it involves Native Americans, suddenly it’s amoral? Pfff, give me a break. At least Disney’s Pochahontas wasn’t made with an agenda in mind, the new woke historical revisionism is an attempt to rewrite history.

The bottom line is that a movie and tv show does not have to be historically accurate. But if it is meant to educate but uses rather questionable content to “educate”, then there’s a problem.

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Native people have such a wealthy of mythology/legends/folklore, I don’t understand why Disney didn’t draw on them, like they did for Aladdin (folktale) and Mulan (legend), instead of fictionalizing and romanticizing a very unromantic ‘History is Written by Victors’ time and tale.

I have the same problem with ‘The Princess and the Frog’.

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Every culture has stories and legends, but companies seem to think it is better just to remake European history and legends with non-white actors, instead of making shows based on stories and legends from non-white cultures. It seems more “racist” to me that companies assume that shows based on non-white stories and legends would not be profitable.

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Disney doesn’t want to be brutally honest about war/conflict, slavery, disease, etc.

History can be pretty brutal if you try and look at every side of it.

Hence why I said mythology/legends/folklore as opposed to history.

Because of the slavery/brutality. Carnage. Humans are absolutely brutal.

Arabs were just as brutal but they washed it clean for Aladdin.

Still missing my point.

Taking “Rings of Power” on its own merits, I found it boring. It’s kind of pretty and the premise is interesting, but so far it’s felt like they’ve drawn things out much more slowly than they really need to.

The introduction explaining Galadriel’s self-appointed mission took way too long. The pseudo-Hobbits (Halfrings? Halforts? I forget) felt like so much filler in the first episode; I kept asking myself why we were going back to them again and again. Really the first episode could have easily been 30 to 45 minutes and a lot tighter in its delivery.

Overall I’m not impressed. Never mind whether the show fits with Tolkien’s lore or vision for Middle Earth; I don’t really know, nor do I care all that much whether there are black elves or not. I’m not that much of a purist. Overall the show just feels way too slow to keep my interest.

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I don’t mind it. Visually it’s stunning with the different landscapes down to all the little knick knacks in the villages. I’m not a LOTR fan so to me it’s fine. As long as it’s entertaining I’ll keep watching.

I can’t watch anymore. They clearly don’t give a crap about the lore.

To paraphrase my response in another thread about the series:

It annoys me somewhat when shows are supposed to be based on a book but abandon the source material and simply write their own story. Sometimes the resulting story is good, sometimes not so much, but if the lore isn’t followed why use the title and names from the original?

Obviously, no movie can totally tell the exact story, but the abandonment of the lore in movies does lessen my enjoyment of those movies when I happen to be invested in the original.

I wasn’t very fond of Blade Runner for instance but may have liked it more if I hadn’t read the book, or if it didn’t pretend to be the story from the book.

I did enjoy the LotR movies but was somewhat annoyed by parts, like the whole Helms Deep story as I thought the original story was much superior to the movie story.

I don’t care what race any of the actors are, this isn’t based on a historical novel it is fantasy, it isn’t based on medieval Europe it’s loosely based on Norse and Germanic folk lore and legend, for many of the characters I don’t see that changing the gender even matters, but ignoring 75% or more of the base source material does make it harder for me to enjoy.

The kin slaying, the curse it causes, the quest for the Silmarils and the vow of Fëanor and his sons, the burning of the ships and the northern trek of the following Elves … abandoning these elements in the beginning of the story means that much of the rest can’t follow the lore. And reducing Galadriel to nothing but a soldier on a revenge quest just doesn’t make much sense.

It may turn out to be a great show and I hope it does, but I’m likely not going to be watching it going forward.

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Sometimes a ‘recreator’ loved the World, characters and ideals but thought the stories needed to be updated or different for a different medium or they want to make it smaller for less complication or bigger to color in more of the world or their vision is just plain more entertaining than the original.

But, most of the time, it is simply a manipulative hook.

The current television iteration of Nancy Drew definitely falls into the latter category but thankfully it is entertaining on its own merits so I have grown to love it as long as I don’t associated it with my childhood memories of the book series.

So I try to watch adaptations/remakes/ect and see with low expectations, especially when it comes to television series, and have often been pleasantly surprised ( ie Elementary, Rizzoli and Isles, Lucifer, Riverdale, The Haunting of Hill House) although not always (ie Eastwick, Merlin, Dynasty)

After I read this, I went and found a wiki and read up on it (and am now trapped in that rabbit hole, thanks a lot!!!) as I hate holes in storytelling but I am not sure how much it would add to the story being told in Rings of Power because, while I am always happy to have more story to enjoy, I don’t see how it would underpin the story introduced in the first two episodes.

Maybe that will change as the series progresses and I will resent the holes later :woman_shrugging: .

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They are not even holes in the script, they are Retcons, it is not known where this series will go, but already Amazon together with Netflix in the case that Wheel of Time, Halo and now Rings of Power had, we do not know how disappointing it will be at the end of the series. season.

What he dedicates himself to doing the new seasons of The Boy and Invicible instead of using a pretext to watch his series and threatening him that if it fails they will cancel it.