How a zombie with a bow manages to 1v1 a High Priestess turned Avatar of the God of Vengance?
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Yes, they did. They needed an explanation for a warfront because they needed to create content, but even they said that it was almost necessary from an OOC perspective, pure IC, if it wasnât necessary, Tyrande would propably Nathanos have been destroyed.
I think it was like⊠Valâkyr magic. I dunno, it was plot armor more than anything. I spent months being aggravated over how that entire Darkshore intro was handled, but at this point Iâm pretty much just numb.
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This, canât kill Sylvanasâ boy toy. Valâkyr have always been portrayed as powerful, but to be on the level of an actual WoW Deity empowerment? Sounds like big BS. Even if that Valâkyr was killed, you canât just fight Malfurion Stormrage and Tyrande Whisperwind (as the Night Warrior no less) as if it was no oneâs business.
Iâve heard ââbut da Jailer surely must have done somethingââ even if that was the case it still feels amazingly forced.
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Itâs made even worse now that the Valâkyr have been potentially been made into something freely replicable again. It wasnât much, but taking down a Valâkyr was at one time a big hit to Sylvanas and the Forsaken. Now she can just photocopy another one.
So essentially, the Night Warrior accomplished nothing.
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It served its purpose. To validate Nathanos as strong of a character as the likes of Tyrande, Malfurion and Elune.
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because players plot armor.
without nathanos, jaina would have killed the horde players in the raid.
now the question is, do we needed nathanos in darkshore?.
Because dropping Nathanosâ hp a bit was the revenge of the Night Elves. You know the revenge for having their entire civilization wiped out and tortured.
That and killing a recreatable Valâkyr. That was their entire revenge.
They had to do something special for Night Elf fans to have justice for Teldrassil, and they deemed that as appropriate. Achieving absolutely nothing! And then they proudly stated that the Night Elves got their revenge
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Bad writing. But seriously, Tryande should have smote Nathanos off Azeroth, Hell even Malfurion should have been able to do it himself seeing as even Legion Demons feared Malfurion and I doubt Nathanos is as strong as the Legion Demons that feared Malfurion. If they wanted to do it right and keep Nathanos alive while also showing off Tryandeâs night warrior power, what should have happened is she and Mal show up, Nathanos drools about Sylvanas like he always does, then Tryande basically obliterates both of those Valâkyr instantly causing Nathanos to flee immediately. That would have shown how powerful Tyrande was while also keeping Nathanos alive, but instead we got a Jobbers match between Malfurion, the most powerful Druid alive, Tyrande, blessed with the power of a literal God, and Nathanos, expert bow man.
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âa zombie with a bowâ
Donât you people ever get tired of making such obviously bad-faith arguments?
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We do see chains similar to what was in the cinematic in use there. At the time it was a /shrug because sure why wouldnât they have spooky chains?
But in retrospect I think itâs actually not a bad tease at what comes next. Amadis detailed this more in a post Iâll quote here.
But, yeah this actually seems more like a tease for SL than blatant lore abuse with that in mind. Iâm not in the habit of giving Blizz good faith here and people werenât wrong to just assume it was a plot hole. But - doesnât seem like it was with that in mind.
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Tyrande has new found powers, that she is inexperienced in using, sheâs not used to the night warrior mojo. Meanwhile Nathanos is an ultra elite assassin, who possibly got some power from Sylvanas deal with the Jailor.
There is nobody in the Horde, except maybe Sylvanas, who could 1v1 powered-up Tyrande, and they didnât want to use Sylvanas, for whatever reason. And TBH, I think some people would still be crying if Tyrande had one-shotted Nathanos, because theyâd be saying that wasnât proof that she was any stronger, because she should have always been able to one-shot him even without the power-up.
The explanation is that they wanted to write a specific kind of scene and there wasnât a suitable character in the Horde for the kind of scene they wanted to have. Thatâs all there is to it. Donât overthink it.
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If we go by feats shown, there is a lot of horde people who could beat Tyrande 1vs1. Hell, Saurfang, by feats, beats Tyrande.
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Not if you count novels, where she decimates entire armies. And thatâs pre-powerup.
And even if you say Saurfang beats pre-powerup Tyrande by feats, sheâs supposed to be infused with the power of a goddess, which is supposed to be a big deal. Saurfang has never been shown by feats to be on god-infused power level, and in A Good War he knew he didnât stand a chance against Malfurion, who is pretty close to that level if not on it.
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No they didnât. The explanation itâs pretty much thisâŠ
and this.
Who even on her worse day, Tyrande could squash like a bug.
I donât know, I think it would have been accurate. And in any case at least that one shot would have had some dramatic flare.
But do you think she could have done it before the power-up? If you say no, Iâm gonna find that hard to believe, given what Iâve seen of your opinions in other other posts.
There just isnât a suitable figure in the Horde to give the âWorf Effectâ that nelf fans want. (Worf Effect: A powerful creature shows up and beats up the strongest guy among the established characters to impress the audience. âWow, that new guy must be SUPER-POWERFUL if he can beat Worf!â is how the thought process is supposed to go. The Horde doesnât have a suitable Worf.)
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Maybe not even a one shot, could have been like ââBOOMââ beamed to the ground. When she is about to finish him a Valâkyr comes flying to take him away, and Tyrande manages to one-shot one of 'em while the other one teleports the rest or something.
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The problem is, you are assuming Elune is an ultra powerful being, when weâve seen other beings in Warcraft be labled âgodsâ and not have an ultra impressive showing. Perhaps the fact Tyrande couldnât beat Nathanos shows Elune is not a cosmic level being equal to the Titans, but rather a ânicheâ goddess with certain unique abilities. Xalâatath speaks diminutively about Elunes powers, and sheâs just a knife.
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Counterpoint: We have no reason to think sheâs weaker than whatever is empowering Malfurion (Cenarius?).
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